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Question for those that have children--
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11/05/17 11:27 AM
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You grow up in a middle class, blue collar neighborhood, perhaps even under middle class. Your parents raise you correctly, teaching you about respecting teachers, cops, and elders. They teach you the value of hard work and sacrifice as well as the importance of education. You have a job during high school and you graduate and either go to college or work. You meet a nice girl, get married and start a family. Times are tough in the beginning but you finally save enough for a down payment for a small house in a nice suburb that has a low crime rate and good school system unlike the less desirable town next door. After a few years you find out the state is consolidating school systems so now your children will be going to school with those in the other town which has a high crime rate and high teen pregnancy rate. You work hard every day and you work equally as hard trying to instill the value of hard work, family values, respect, and education in your children where the majority of your current neighbors are like minded. Now your children are exposed to children that dont come from families with strong values, respect, and hard work. They come from families where the only adult in the home is a mother who is taking care of 3 or 5 children who may be from different men. They will also be exposed to gang activity and other criminal and immoral behavior ( having kids at 16 ). Before i get labled a racist, which im not, ask yourself this: what would you do if a high crime school district was merging with yours? Didnt you work hard so you can afford to raise your children in a safe environment? Isnt this the reason we work hard and try to lift ourselves both socially and economically? Are we now being punished for all of our hard work? Is it fair that we do things the right way and be penalized for it? I dont want my children exposed to the nonsense that many inner cities bring. If i did, i would choose to live in the inner city. The main question is this ? Why should i pay for the sins of an irresponsible parent who makes irresponsible decisions? I also dont want to penalize their children for the mistakes of their immature/ irresponsible parent. I donate money either through church or taxes those that are less fortunate.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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11/06/17 01:49 PM
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You grow up in a middle class, blue collar neighborhood, perhaps even under middle class. Your parents raise you correctly, teaching you about respecting teachers, cops, and elders. They teach you the value of hard work and sacrifice as well as the importance of education. Who have a job during high school and you graduate and either go to college or work. You meet a nice girl, get married and start a family. Times are tough in the beginning but you finally save enough for a down payment for a small house in a nice suburb that has a low crime rate and good school system unlike the less desirable town next door. After a few years you find out the state is consolidating school systems so now your children will be going to school with those in the other town which has a high crime rate and high teen pregnancy rate. You work hard every day and you work equally as hard trying to instill the value of hard work, family values, respect, and education in your children where the majority of your current neighbors are like minded. Now your children are exposed to children that dont come from families with strong values, respect, and hard work. They come from families where the only adult in the home is a mother who is taking care of 3 or 5 children who may be from different men. They will also be exposed to gang activity and other criminal and immoral behavior ( having kids at 16 ). Before i get labled a racist, which im not, ask yourself this: what would you do if a high crime school district was merging with yours? Didnt you work hard so you can afford to raise your children in a safe environment? I dont want my children exposed to the nonsense that many inner cities bring. If i did, i would choose to live in the inner city. The main question is this ? Why should i pay for the sins of an irresponsible parent who makes irresponsible decisions? I also dont want to penalize their children for the mistakes of their immature/ irresponsible parent. I donate money either through church or taxes those that are less fortunate. Very,Very well thought out & written..I could'nt have said it better myself..I have these thoughts myself everyday.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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12/16/17 10:49 PM
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I have a kid who has been in and out of jail for the last two years. He's almost 21 now. Until a few years ago he was a nice kid. He started hanging out with a few thugs and now he is a thug. He has been arrested for breaking into cars and recently breaking into a store.
A few weeks ago he disappeared with my wife's car. I called the police, and he was caught leaving a a drug house that they were watching already. I pressed charges and now he's in jail again. This will be his fourth felony. I try to be positive when I visit him, but I honestly don't know if he has any chance of a decent life. I'm considering dropping the charges, but I don't want him back in my house.
I would appreciate hearing any suggestions. My best idea now is to leave him in jail. That's the only place I've seen him improve.
If anybody here has a similar experience, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts.
Thanks.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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12/17/17 03:58 PM
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You grow up in a middle class, blue collar neighborhood, perhaps even under middle class. Your parents raise you correctly, teaching you about respecting teachers, cops, and elders. They teach you the value of hard work and sacrifice as well as the importance of education. You have a job during high school and you graduate and either go to college or work. You meet a nice girl, get married and start a family. Times are tough in the beginning but you finally save enough for a down payment for a small house in a nice suburb that has a low crime rate and good school system unlike the less desirable town next door. After a few years you find out the state is consolidating school systems so now your children will be going to school with those in the other town which has a high crime rate and high teen pregnancy rate. You work hard every day and you work equally as hard trying to instill the value of hard work, family values, respect, and education in your children where the majority of your current neighbors are like minded. Now your children are exposed to children that dont come from families with strong values, respect, and hard work. They come from families where the only adult in the home is a mother who is taking care of 3 or 5 children who may be from different men. They will also be exposed to gang activity and other criminal and immoral behavior ( having kids at 16 ). Before i get labled a racist, which im not, ask yourself this: what would you do if a high crime school district was merging with yours? Didnt you work hard so you can afford to raise your children in a safe environment? Isnt this the reason we work hard and try to lift ourselves both socially and economically? Are we now being punished for all of our hard work? Is it fair that we do things the right way and be penalized for it? I dont want my children exposed to the nonsense that many inner cities bring. If i did, i would choose to live in the inner city. The main question is this ? Why should i pay for the sins of an irresponsible parent who makes irresponsible decisions? I also dont want to penalize their children for the mistakes of their immature/ irresponsible parent. I donate money either through church or taxes those that are less fortunate. You may have to work harder to move to an even better neighborhood, where your kids will be in a good school, or so that you can send your kids to a private school. That's life.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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12/17/17 09:59 PM
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I have a kid who has been in and out of jail for the last two years. He's almost 21 now. Until a few years ago he was a nice kid. He started hanging out with a few thugs and now he is a thug. He has been arrested for breaking into cars and recently breaking into a store.
A few weeks ago he disappeared with my wife's car. I called the police, and he was caught leaving a a drug house that they were watching already. I pressed charges and now he's in jail again. This will be his fourth felony. I try to be positive when I visit him, but I honestly don't know if he has any chance of a decent life. I'm considering dropping the charges, but I don't want him back in my house.
I would appreciate hearing any suggestions. My best idea now is to leave him in jail. That's the only place I've seen him improve.
If anybody here has a similar experience, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts.
Thanks.
I'm a year older than you, dl, and have some experience that I won't get into now. My thoughts on what I would do in your situation would be to look for your son's long-term best interest. If he keeps on skating by on life without facing the consequences, then he probably won't learn life's lessons. He may not learn them anyway, but there's a chance he could at least learn that if you're going to do the crime then you have to realize you deserve to do the time. Slaps on the wrist to unrepentant criminals almost never end well. They just get worse because they realize they can get away with it. In other words, I suggest that you do not under any circumstances drop the charges. Be a parent, not a friend. He's obviously not being a friend to his mom and dad. If he does learn the lesson and changes his ways in the future, you can invite him back like the Prodigal Son.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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12/18/17 10:37 AM
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Footreads, your post is the kind of post that keeps people interested. I would like to hear more.
How old are you? I'm 53. The prices I remember (25k for a house, about a quarter for a gallon of gas I think) are much higher than what you experienced. I'm guessing you're older than me. 76 and still kicking my brother is 80. No one own a house then even the mob guys lived in those tenements. I bought my first house in Brooklyn for 42 thousand it was a two family house already had a tenant. Through him out a year latter he filled the basement with his shit. I saw it recently it was falling apart they wanted 600 thousand for it. He has a 23 old son. So he was born when my brother was 57. Haha My brother always ask me for money as a loan. Never paid me back. That’s why we still talk he needs me. He always thought his shit doesn’t stink. He graduated college and I got thrown out of HS in my senior year.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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12/20/17 11:34 AM
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When I was a kid i did some things...similar things...and my father pushed me further into it, until the point when i felt disgusted and started fearing for my life and guess what?! I stopped my activities and from that point on everything became normal. I dont recommend my father's tactics, but it helped me once. Obviously he knew his own child and also knew how to act, meaning everyone should know the inner state of his kid and take a specific action. Beatings, quarrels, or anything violent or any other "Nazi" tactic usually end up with the creation of a monster or a downfall looser. Dont get me wrong, sometimes few slaps in the face can save your kids life but it should be done in the right time and at the right age. Btw private school is great but you also have to give additional schooling at home, regarding the streets, so your kid wont get "busy". I mean there's not even one school in the world that teaches our kids not to mess around on today's streets and what is the real danger and what are the consequences, which should be repeated every day, over and over, until it gets cemented in their minds... but instead they force them to learn about faked history
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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Re: Question for those that have children--
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02/07/18 01:15 PM
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I was schooled with knackers (Irish travellers) for the first 3 years of my education, big smelly pikies who used to fight everyday in the yard. War would break out between the knacks and the settled people.
My folks got me out of their when the realised what a hole the place was and I educated in decent schools from there on.
In Ireland private education can be quite expensive.
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