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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: ChrisMcCarthy]
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07/21/18 11:15 PM
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Yes, you could build in NYC in the 70s and 80s without going through the mob, and most builders did. They just paid the cost of union labor. The mob's racket was soliciting some builders to buy their cement in exchange for using non union labor. The builders that did so knew what they were doing, Trump being no exception. The mob's racket wouldn't work if most projects weren't built with union labor. The ongoing presence of union labor had to exist for the extortion to work. So, bullshit. Trump built his empire knowingly using mob connections. He was friends with mob lawyer Roy Cohn, who taught him how to get away with it, too. Trump and Roger Stone still use some of Cohn's old trickery today. Pizzaboy? He's an anonymous commenter on a website, for crying out loud. lol.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
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07/22/18 07:27 AM
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Oak, I have to ask you a question(and after that I'll never speak to you again)...How come guys like you ,Moe-Moe, etc etc.. never talk about how corrupt the government is? Just guys with vowels at the end of their names. I don't get it. They took the playbook from the mafia. The website is called Gangsterbb, not Governmentbb. Oh, I get it now. The 35 part refers to your IQ.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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07/22/18 10:18 AM
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The website is called Gangsterbb, not Governmentbb.
Oh, I get it now. The 35 part refers to your IQ. There's a difference between the two? I must have bumped my head and pinky toe. Thanks for informing me on that. Says the guy who's a pitcher and a catcher. Go figure....
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: TheKillingJoke]
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07/22/18 11:57 AM
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Pizzaboy? He's an anonymous commenter on a website, for crying out loud. lol. Still one of the most knowledgeable guys that ever roamed this board. His posts were always something to look forward to imo. I have nothing against Pizzaboy, but to quote him as an undeniable source? If he said everyone in the 80s who built in New York had to willingly break the law and consort with mobsters, he's wrong. It's that simple. Trump did so knowingly. He took advantage of the situation. He took the easy way out. Honest builders followed the law and hired the union labor, and reported instances where they believed they were being extorted and overcharged. Justice eventually came, but it took a long time. It usually does. Trump gamed the system. He cheated. It's who he is.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: njcapo35]
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07/22/18 12:04 PM
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The website is called Gangsterbb, not Governmentbb.
Oh, I get it now. The 35 part refers to your IQ. There's a difference between the two? I must have bumped my head and pinky toe. Thanks for informing me on that. Says the guy who's a pitcher and a catcher. Go figure.... Damn right, son. I had your mother and father at the same time. They didn't complain.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: TheKillingJoke]
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07/22/18 12:57 PM
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Pizzaboy? He's an anonymous commenter on a website, for crying out loud. lol. Still one of the most knowledgeable guys that ever roamed this board. His posts were always something to look forward to imo. Plus 1. Pizza knew people and facts, and had first experience with how the unions were run. I also looked forward to his posts. We tried to meet for dinner when I was in NY but could not make it work. I really wish we had enjoyed a fine meal and conversation.
Best way to catch the smart ones? Get an idiot working for them.
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: TheKillingJoke]
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07/22/18 02:04 PM
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Of course nobody can be quoted as a 100% undeniable source, but Pizza struck me as believable as an anonymous commenter can be. I can't remember if he said that ALL contractors had to go through the mob, rather that it was extremely widespread while the mob were at their peak.
As far as the Trump debate goes, I don't think an European like me got enough clear intel on the matter to form any kind of strong opinion. Let's say that, from a personal point of view and based on what i've read, I find his antics - past as well as present - "questionable" at best; but like I said, I better keep shtum. So now it's not "all" contractors, just "some". Glad you guys are starting to face reality. And, Trump was part of that "some" who knowingly worked with the mob to get an edge on his competition, which was dishonest and criminal. Trump was not just going with the flow. He was an exception. Builders who didn't have his daddy's connections had to do things the right way. They had to pay the inflated prices and report instances of extortion, over billing, etc. Many of them never saw justice, and the few that did had to wait a long time for it. All the while, Trump got richer and richer and richer. He's a cheater who made a deal with the mob to keep his costs low, so he could undercut his competition. He got away clean because the most crooked lawyer in American history, Roy Cohn, fixed it for him.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: TheKillingJoke]
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07/22/18 02:58 PM
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So now it's not "all" contractors, just "some".
I didn't change the narrative. I just can't remember if Pizza ever said it was all contractors having to take the dirt road; never claimed I did. Only stated that he generally speaking was a convincing source regarding NYC. Moe claims Pizza as his source on this. I'm saying that if Pizza said this, he's wrong. It is cynical and patently absurd to say that every builder in New York worked with the mob when Trump was coming up. It wasn't the 1940s. The RICO act was well into effect at this time and builders would have had to be crazy to seek out mobsters that they could pay off in exchange for low building costs. Most builders were extorted by the mob, which is not the same thing as "working with" the mob. They were victims of the rackets. Forced to overpay for everything. And, Trump does NOT fall into this category. He worked in collusion with them. He had special inroads that allowed him to save money on materials and labor in exchange for purchasing materials from the mob. He knew what he was doing. It was not business as usual. It was criminal as hell. It's who he is.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: BillyBrizzi]
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07/22/18 03:54 PM
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Oak, as always, oversimplifying the issue in order to push his anti-Trump agenda. Co-signed.. The problem with people who are as politicized as OAF, whether it be on the left- or right end of the spectrum, is that they aren't really open anymore to different viewpoints or arguments. A shame really.. Why should anyone be open to something that they know is false? Do you believe accepting something that you know is a falsehood makes you "open minded"? Moe's claim that all builders had to work with the mob is complete bullshit.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Congressman and the Mafia
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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07/22/18 04:36 PM
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Hold on. Trump had no direct dealings with the mob. We've been through this before, Pizzaboy said it well at the time, you couldn't build anything in New York in the 70s and 80s without going through the mob. They had control over all the unions yada yada yada.
You've egregiously skipped over Bill Clinton's dealings with gangsters while Governor in Arkansas. Granted, they weren't Italian-Americans, but that's beside the point.
You are right about the Clinton’s. They had extremely close ties the Coias who were patsies for the mobs interests in LIUNA.
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