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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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Has nothing to do with easiest !
It has to do with who you know or who you were born into .
The Boss has everything to do with it ! Makes sense to me. Also where you come from, and how you earn your money and how much you share that money with the mob.
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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07/21/18 03:07 PM
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Hi
Like I have said in the past Furio just talks about things & makes statements that he has no idea what is true or not true but a lot people stick up for him when they should not. He is just trying to be relevant but unlike I that only know what I lived he actually knows or trying to know all he can from books and websites. Think he is just trying to hard.
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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07/21/18 04:27 PM
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I would've thought the Philadelphia Mob Family since the Stanfa era was the easy answer here.
Stanfa wasn't picky, sometimes perhaps out of necessity/desperation; Merlino strikes me as someone who would induct a guy no questions asked if he was brought a large enough bag of cash.
Yeah Moe NY or whom ever really left him hanging..... what a mess that time was . Stanfa had some relatives in Ventnor (still do) that’s the only news we would get cos nobody here really knew him. N.E. I am from jersey AC
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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07/21/18 04:39 PM
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the bigger the family has more spots to be filled technically. agree with serp whose your sponcer and how much clout he has and how much he is pushing for you to get made i cant think of a example of my head but ive read a few times a capos pushing for a guy to get made for a yr or 2 but the books are closed then the boss goes to jail or maybe the guy trying to get inducted so if takes time. like the guy from the colombos bf guerra is a persico family friend and did a ton of time and the time to get inducted just never got set up and the guys been proposed since the 90tys and still isnt made. unless they did it in jail to. if i waited 20 30 yrs to join the mob doing it in jail would suck but it would have to do. sammy the bulls explanation about his induction in his book was a good chapter. he felt like he was floating They propose to BF Guerra to be made but he refused because he made more money as associate and be made would comort more feds attention and another people who want your money. He was also direct with the acting boss (Little Allie Boy) in the 1990s so it's not like getting made would be particularly beneficial to his career unless he was aspiring for leadership himself. I assume you're referencing this article Fur: https://nypost.com/2011/10/31/la-cosa-nostra/ But, we know he didn't outright refuse it like Joseph Petillo did. Guerra was scheduled to be inducted in December 2010, so we know there was no outright refusal. This tape-recorded statement from B.F. when he was talking to Tommy McLaughlin seems to sum up his feelings: "I don't know. Sometimes I scratch my head and say, 'I wonder if it's even fucking worth it.' But what I am gonna do?"
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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Guerra was scheduled to be inducted in December 2010, so we know there was no outright refusal. This tape-recorded statement from B.F. when he was talking to Tommy McLaughlin seems to sum up his feelings: "I don't know. Sometimes I scratch my head and say, 'I wonder if it's even fucking worth it.' But what I am gonna do?" Yes Im referring to those article but in a Pogo chart on the colombo men inducted since 2000s there are no Guerra name. http://theblackhand.club/forum/view...ng+ceremonies+colombo+Teddy+petsico#p566February 2000: (Residence in vicinity of Ave T in Gravesend, Brooklyn) Dino "Big Dino" Calabro (sponsored by Tommy Gioeli) Andre D’Apice Luca DiMatteo (probably sponsored by Ralph Lombardo) Anthony Strapoli Early/Mid 2000: Joseph "Joey Flowers" Rotunno Mid 2000: (Residence in Babylon, Long Island) Ralph DeLeo Early 2004: (Residence on West 6th St in Gravesend, Brooklyn) Joseph “Joey Caves†Compatiello (sponsored by Dino Calabro) Dino "Little Dino" Saracino (sponsored by Dino Calabro) Sebastiano “Sebby†Saracino (sponsored by Dino Calabro) Craig “Little Craig†Marino (sponsored by Joseph Baudanza) 2005: (Apartment in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn) Michael "Mikey" Souza (sponsored by Dino Calabro) Frank “Frankie BF†Sturiano 2005/6: (Residence in Greenpoint, Brooklyn) Michael “Mike the Electrician†Catapano (sponsored Sonny Franzese) Vincent “Downtown Vinny†Manzo (sponsored Tommy Gioeli) Michael Uvino (sponsored Sonny Franzese?) 2005/6: Carmine Baudanza (sponsored by Joseph Baudanza) 2008: (Basement of a Social Club in The Bronx) Reynold "Ren" Maragni February 1, 2009: Anthony "Big Anthony" Russo Emanuele “Manny†Favuzza Joseph Savarese Daniel Capaldo John Maggio FNU “Sally from Coney Island†LNU January 12, 2011: (ceremony held in prison) Illario “Fat Larry†Sessa 2011-2016: Robert Tarantola Phil LNU - ? Angelo “Little Angelo†Spata - ?
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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07/21/18 11:48 PM
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There is no debating that Michael Persico is NOT made. He was indicted in 2010 and 2011 as an associate and has been, after much delay, sentenced for his crimes. Until his 2010 bust he was posing as the legitimate brother, the civilian of the Persicos even though evidence shows that he is not. It’s not like his criminal career is a mystery either - Big Anthony Russo was under him for most of his criminal career and testified that yes, Michael was an associate. That being said, he definitely had the standing of a capo or higher. When Big Anthony was a capo and tried to start a valet business, Michael stopped him and essentially took it over. When Teddy Persico was on the family’s ruling panel, he discussed wanting to whack somebody but said that he had to “talk to Michael about it.†Unless Michael was ssupposed to organise or execute the hit, which is unlikely considering his status as the white-collar “legitimate†Persico, we can assume admin member Teddy wanted to clear it by Michael or at least consult it with him. That’s indicative of Michaels status in the family and he has no reason to get made because he has enough clout as Carmine Persico’s son and definitely does not want the heat. Also, if someone wants to do some digging into his files, I think Greg Scarpa mentioned how Michael was not made but had a “special status†in the family equivalent to being made. Take that how you will.
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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@Furio: The reason Guerra is not on Pogos list is because, as I mentioned before, he is not made. He is an associate but was proposed for membership at least twice, and was scheduled to be made in December 2010 alongside Angelo Spata, Larry Sessa and Phil LNU until the ceremony was cancelled due to heavy LE heat. The heavy heat came from wired-up Tommy McLaughlin, who witnessed Manny Favuzza handling a gun to be used for the ceremony. Big Anthony filled him in on the ceremony and all the details because Tommy was a longtime associate that was close to Big Anthony and Larry Sessa. It was detailed in the Jan. 2011 indictment. The crazy thing is, Larry Sessa, a slated inductee, had to provide the gun for his ceremony himself! He was pissed off about that and ranted to Tommy M about it, since he was on supervised release and couldn’t carry a firearm. Anyway Guerra will be out soon in 2021 so maybe than will be made.
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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nick from tampa you really think michaels dad or brother lcn lifers wouldnt tell howevers in charge my son, my brother, not going into the federal prison system at 60 yrs old. to do 5yr as a simple bag man .im just taken a wild guess this dude the son of the boss has been a associate for so long making major money keeping his dad and brother afloat the least they could do, make whoever was in charge last xmis plug my little brother in before he turns himself in. so no one fucks wit him. no other familys gonna say no. the only thing maybe he said no. we wont no till a new rat flips. i think michael went to jail like rite after xmis last yr. andy rusoo could have gave him the whole big deal What? Jesus Christ, are you saying that either Carmine or Allie Boy Persico have any sway over the decisions the federal justice system make...... Come on pmac don't disappoint me now. You really think the Persicos can tell "whoever is in charge" to let Michael get no jail time even though he took a five year plea?
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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No you not following what im trying to say. Michael had to turn himself in December i think to start the 5yr bid. Carmine snake and his brother allie probaly told whoever was or is acting colombo boss in december stop whatever your doing and make sure you induct michael into the family before he starts his bid. The guy has been a associate of the family sense the day he came out his moms vag. Nothing about the federal prison officials. His brother just probaly wants him to be inducted so no one from another family could treat him like a bitch cause hes not a lcn member. He probaly said no anyway. But he could have gotten made i think rite before he went to jail He clearly doesn't want to be made. Why would Carmine or Allie suddenly decide to induct him the moment before he starts his shylock bid? Doesn't make sense. If he wanted to be made, he'd be made. He has as much sway in the family is a capo or higher.
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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07/23/18 08:12 AM
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Hi
Like I have said in the past Furio just talks about things & makes statements that he has no idea what is true or not true but a lot people stick up for him when they should not. I'll stick up for @Furio. If you've slated him before as you say, why do it again?
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Re: Easiest family to become made?
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07/23/18 02:36 PM
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Reynold Maragni and Big Anthony Russo didn’t flip until 2011 and Dino Calabro in early 2009. But yes, lots of soldiers flipped during that time.
And yes, the feds definitely hurt the Colombos post-2008 in the Jan. 2011 indictment which featured 36 Colombo family defendants including their entire street administration and four capos (Carna, DeLucia, Persico Jr., Maragni) and acting capo Russo.
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