Jesus Christ Jace if you told me your schlong was touched up by Priest Brzyski I wouldn't of uploaded the pic?

Still waiting on a reply that’s got more substance than vague “Everybody’s a rat, only rats succeed” comments.

I think there were even rumors about Tony Accardo and Joey Lombardo being informers.

He has none.

There is no need for that, and in my opinion this is not the place for that.

I’m pretty sure Jace doesn’t have a schlong. Unless I am completely mistaken.

I wasn't aware there are women on this forum. I just hope I didn't threaten any

Allright, allright u fuckin' dickheads...….y cant u just leave it & jace alone,,,u have 2 realize that shes on her own..get off her back!!!.....fuckheads.

Every time I hear Do You Really Want To Hurt Me I think of Adam Sandler's The Wedding Singer.

you Americans have no sense of banter.

Lol love that film especially Steve Buscemi

The more I read ur posts,the more I realize ur probably a young idiot...we all get mad @ Oak,, but u more or less take it 2 heart or personal..someday, in the not so far future..ul get banned. fuckin' racist.

What the fuck are you talking about? I take it to heart? says the again who is a morbid fuck with a sense of humour loss. Look at you up Jace's ass defending her "honour" on a website lol.. she has probably been cocked more times than John Wayne's rifle

you just saw what I said to Oak so how I "take it to heart" is beyond me. You are far from a hoodlum , piece of shit is a more fitting name. Racist??? could you explain that one you absolute tit

You just went far over the line of decency, Japseye. Take a four month vacation from the GBB. We'll see if a new year will change you into a decent human being. I doubt it will but at least we get rid of you for the rest of the year.

Never beat the wedding singer from the hangover.

Now there's the SC I remember.

Also I didn't realize Jace was a woman....coupling that info with your info/interest in Scarpa, are you who I think you are?

FWIW snitching is not the only way gangsters can keep law enforcement off their backs . Another very effective way is doing favors for the secret services . To use a well known example , the strength of the Banda Della Magliana did not ( at least primarily ) derive from them being snitches , but from the work they did for elements of Italian military intelligence who were backed by the CIA .

From what I know it's rather standard practice for many Eastern European gangsters to work for secret service agencies and what with a big chunk of the region being of strategic importance in the fight against terrorism , it's rather probable that many Eastern European gangsters don't have to rat out other gangsters so much as rat out terrorists .

Naturally one can draw equivalency between the two practices , but I don't think it's too much of stretch to state that gangsters have ( generally ) never considered terrorists to be of their camp , which makes staying within the parameters of gangster code all that much easier .

OakasFan, I'm still wondering what's your view on Colombo/Bonanno squad supervisor Lindley DeVecchio describing in his FBI documents that "most" of Gregory Scarpa's information was singular and unavailable from any source, especially information on crew realignments, leadership changes, and induction ceremonies.
In my view, that completely disproves the notion that, as you have stated before, most made mobsters are cooperating with the government, otherwise this information from Scarpa would NOT be singular/unavailable from any other source.

Other than that, you of course have the argument that "most" mobsters do, at some point in their careers, heavy stretches in prison - stretches in prison which they would avoid if they were cooperating with the government.
You of course also have the notion that, from the 1980s-2001, the Mafia was at the top of the FBI's priority list, meaning they were dedicated to taking it down. If most members were cooperating then the government would effectively be trying to eliminate it's own paid employees.
You also have the notion that, if most mobsters were cooperating, the remaining ones would all be very, very, very quickly arrested and detained. At that point, all that's left would be cooperating witnesses so, naturally, the FBI could shut them down and the Mafia would be eliminated.

Do have a proper argument to these points? Or are you going to continue with the same old, "Omerta is dead," "You can't make it in the Mafia if you don't rat," vague comments?

Oak?

Hello darkness my old friend..

Shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I guess he really was trolling

DeVecchio I would take with a grain of salt. Scarpa did in fact do more damage to that family than another informant, and was close to the Persicos.

DeVecchio was the head of the Bonanno/Colombo squads at this time. He had access to a broad range of informers. If he was willing to stick his neck out and possibly even commit crimes to keep his prized informer Scarpa on the streets, then I’d wager that he’s not lying when he talked about Scarpas information being “exclusive” and “singular.” If Scarpas information was widely known to the feds, why stick your neck out to keep him on the streets? That’s my point, Giacomo, and even if DeVecchio is taken with a grain of salt it still shits into OakasFan’s bizarre and delusional lunacy.

As Tony would say, betta we let shleeping dogsh lie.

Go figure.

SNITCHING and RATTING are really two different animals.

This is very grey..

Case in point if you believe Donnie Brasco when the Bonnnano's opened that bar in FL,

They got shut down when supposedly the boss from N.Y. called up Trafficante and asked him to shut these guys down.

Trafficante supposedly had the local cops go in and bust up the place....

Now does that make TRAFFICANTE a rat?

No

Did he snitch?

I would.have to say YES
What else would you call it?

Again if the story is true

Did he break OMERTA?

I would say yes

Different shades of grey
When you are talking about ratting, snitching and breaking OMERTA

Very common back in the day in N.Y.C
The local police precients were all PAID off by local wise guys to look the other way etc.

Did those guys paying, ever drop a dime on their competition? I would say YES...

We're they rats? NO
Did they SNITCH YES
Break OMERTA? LOL only if they admitted it. But technically YES..

Thanx , Mikey..LOL