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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
[Re: JoeTadaro]
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07/19/19 06:14 AM
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According to gangland news Mancuso is not happy at all with Joe C and Porky for the defense strategy they used to beat their racketeering rap. Seems like there is a lot of tension right now and with mancuso back on the streets this could get interesting. I don’t see Joe c and porky just sitting back being ok with being shelved.
Mancuso is right in the sense that it's pathetic "gangsters" would utilise those kind of defenses, and makes you wonder if they'd be able to take a lengthy sentence on the chin. On the other hand, didn't Mancuso murder his wife and leave her dying on a park bench outside a hospital?
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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According to gangland news Mancuso is not happy at all with Joe C and Porky for the defense strategy they used to beat their racketeering rap. Seems like there is a lot of tension right now and with mancuso back on the streets this could get interesting. I don’t see Joe c and porky just sitting back being ok with being shelved.
Mancuso is right in the sense that it's pathetic "gangsters" would utilise those kind of defenses, and makes you wonder if they'd be able to take a lengthy sentence on the chin. On the other hand, didn't Mancuso murder his wife and leave her dying on a park bench outside a hospital? Yes. From Wiki In 1984, Mancuso fatally shot his wife Evelina and left her body on a bench in front of Jacobi Hospital in the Bronx.Mancuso pleaded guilty to manslaughter and served ten years in prison.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
[Re: JoeTadaro]
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07/19/19 09:23 AM
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This could get interesting. And this might sound like a stupid question but once you get shelved is that it for you? Like has any one ever got shelved and then let back into the family down the road? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERMw9MvNm3cFunny you say that. I watched a clip of The Sopranos recently where Ralph asks Johnny Sack if he can switch families. I pondered if something similar could happen in real life. I know Roy De Meo originally ran with the Luccheses and Sammy Gravano originally ran with the Colombos, but they weren't as high up as Ralph was in the show. There would be a closer connection between Cammarano's situation and Ralph's.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 11:14 AM
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This could get interesting. And this might sound like a stupid question but once you get shelved is that it for you? Like has any one ever got shelved and then let back into the family down the road? Its not a stupid question:if you got shelved ,anyone in the family can't made bussiness with you and you lost all your rackets that will be give to another people. An example is George Barone that was a genovese made man that controlled for years the water front and that in the 1990s was shelved because refused to give a no show job in the union to a Chin son. Barone lost many money and as revenge,flipped. This is all true, but the final straw for Barone was he was going to get clipped if he ever left Florida and went back to NYC. He was summoned back on the pretense of the Genovese giving him some money he thought he was owed.. and a friend who was sent down to Florida to deliver the message warned him not to go.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 11:17 AM
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So is joe c and porky supposed to just sit back and let mancuso take all they’re rackets and put them on the shelve? They’re career wise guys how else are they going to keep up living the lifestyle they are used to with no rackets and no standing in the family? I just don’t see them being ok with this lol they have to be plotting some sort of revenge or something you would think. From my understanding is these guys are loaded from their legit businesses alone. So if they're smart, they'll take this as a blessing and retire from "the life" and focus on their families + legit businesses. Considering the Bonanno's turbulent history and huge amounts of rats the past two decades, this is a huge blessing for these guys not to end up like Vinny Gorgeous or Joe Massino.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 11:20 AM
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According to gangland news Mancuso is not happy at all with Joe C and Porky for the defense strategy they used to beat their racketeering rap. Seems like there is a lot of tension right now and with mancuso back on the streets this could get interesting. I don’t see Joe c and porky just sitting back being ok with being shelved.
My guess is this was all just an excuse to justify Mancuso weakening the Sicilian faction and solidifying his power. I think Joe C tried declaring himself boss a few years ago too while Mancuso was still in the can.
"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 12:59 PM
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Guys that were have become unshelved in later years, 5 years was the shortest known and 26 years was the longest known. Philadelphia had 2 members shelved, and both came back in the 1960s. Bonanno family has a history of shelving members before Joe Massino became boss, 15 to 20 members and only a little over half of the members came back into the fold. Joe C allegedly said he was the boss at a making ceremony on Staten Island so that would have ticked Mancuso, Pork had been in hot water before and also the Simone Espolito is unclear how power changed hands in the Consigliere position. Joe C, Vito Grimaldi and Joe Grimaldi being sacked, I say that John Palazzolo is strongly involved. We have seen many bosses become fearful of a rival faction in their family, thus breaking the crew up, or demoting capos, and Big Paul even shelved an unknown capo during his reign. Members of one family can transfer to another family as long as those two families bosses are ok with it, also better to make sure administration and other certain members of those families are ok with it.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 01:17 PM
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So do you guys think there’s any chance that joe c makes a move on mancuso to take back the family? Or is it just not worth it. I get that being shelved it could be a blessing in disguise for these guys but maybe they don’t think the way that we do and they are pissed about it lol
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 04:34 PM
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Guys that were have become unshelved in later years, 5 years was the shortest known and 26 years was the longest known. Philadelphia had 2 members shelved, and both came back in the 1960s. Bonanno family has a history of shelving members before Joe Massino became boss, 15 to 20 members and only a little over half of the members came back into the fold. Joe C allegedly said he was the boss at a making ceremony on Staten Island so that would have ticked Mancuso, Pork had been in hot water before and also the Simone Espolito is unclear how power changed hands in the Consigliere position. Joe C, Vito Grimaldi and Joe Grimaldi being sacked, I say that John Palazzolo is strongly involved. We have seen many bosses become fearful of a rival faction in their family, thus breaking the crew up, or demoting capos, and Big Paul even shelved an unknown capo during his reign. Members of one family can transfer to another family as long as those two families bosses are ok with it, also better to make sure administration and other certain members of those families are ok with it. Sorry Giacomo do you have any examples of made men that passed to another family?
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 05:23 PM
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Guys that were have become unshelved in later years, 5 years was the shortest known and 26 years was the longest known. Philadelphia had 2 members shelved, and both came back in the 1960s. Bonanno family has a history of shelving members before Joe Massino became boss, 15 to 20 members and only a little over half of the members came back into the fold. Joe C allegedly said he was the boss at a making ceremony on Staten Island so that would have ticked Mancuso, Pork had been in hot water before and also the Simone Espolito is unclear how power changed hands in the Consigliere position. Joe C, Vito Grimaldi and Joe Grimaldi being sacked, I say that John Palazzolo is strongly involved. We have seen many bosses become fearful of a rival faction in their family, thus breaking the crew up, or demoting capos, and Big Paul even shelved an unknown capo during his reign. Members of one family can transfer to another family as long as those two families bosses are ok with it, also better to make sure administration and other certain members of those families are ok with it. Sorry Giacomo do you have any examples of made men that passed to another family? It is extremely rare, but it can happen. To finally put an end to the Gallo wars, Albert Gallo was switched from the Columbo's into Chin's crew in the mid-70's.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 07:08 PM
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Guys that were have become unshelved in later years, 5 years was the shortest known and 26 years was the longest known. Philadelphia had 2 members shelved, and both came back in the 1960s. Bonanno family has a history of shelving members before Joe Massino became boss, 15 to 20 members and only a little over half of the members came back into the fold. Joe C allegedly said he was the boss at a making ceremony on Staten Island so that would have ticked Mancuso, Pork had been in hot water before and also the Simone Espolito is unclear how power changed hands in the Consigliere position. Joe C, Vito Grimaldi and Joe Grimaldi being sacked, I say that John Palazzolo is strongly involved. We have seen many bosses become fearful of a rival faction in their family, thus breaking the crew up, or demoting capos, and Big Paul even shelved an unknown capo during his reign. Members of one family can transfer to another family as long as those two families bosses are ok with it, also better to make sure administration and other certain members of those families are ok with it. Sorry Giacomo do you have any examples of made men that passed to another family? It is extremely rare, but it can happen. To finally put an end to the Gallo wars, Albert Gallo was switched from the Columbo's into Chin's crew in the mid-70's. I could be wrong but I don't think that Albert was made when they got transferred.
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/19/19 07:44 PM
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Albert Gallo was not made at the time of the transfer.
Furio, I will just give you examples of the San Jose crime family. Dominic Anzalone- made in Pittsburgh Joseph Cerrito- made in Profaci family Salvatore Cerrito- made in Profaci family Joseph Cusenza- made in Detroit Tony Ditri- made in Bonanno family Vincenzo Figlia- made in Profaci family Anthony Maggio- made in Philadelphia Salvatore Marino Sr- made in Pittsburgh Filippo Morici- made in Chicago, transferred to one of the New York families, then transferred to San Jose. Anthony Scavuzzo- made in Newark family, transferred to Bonanno family, then to San Jose. Carmelo Sciortino- made in Los Angeles, transferred to San Francisco, then to San Jose Salvatore Vassallo- made in Bonanno family Giuseppe Vicari- made in New Orleans Stefano Zoccoli- made in Pittsburgh
"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
[Re: JoeTadaro]
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07/20/19 03:07 AM
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Between the New York families themselves? No. The only known events were when the families were set permanent after the Castellammarese War, and members could choose the group in the family they came up with or join a different family do to blood relatives or old friends that were in the other family. Newark family disbanded, where four unidentified members from the Genovese family switch to other New York families, two to the Lucchese, one to Profaci, and one to Bonanno, this was under Frank Costello reign. Late 1940s New Jersey and Connecticut made members of the New York City families transferred between themselves. After that there is no evidence of made members of the New York families transferring between those families, only associates being transferred. Once you are made in one of the New York families, you can not be transferred unless it is too a different city like Philadelphia or Boston for examples. Made members from different family across the nation and members from Sicily and Italy can transfer to one of the New York families and vice versa, but not between New York families if made. Now there is no known rule or any examples of made members after the 1940s transferring between New York City families, so it is possibly that they can switch families and we just have not heard about it, but I think that with each family having a set cap of how many made members they can have at a time, they discourage it or there is a rule about it that many New York mobsters who turned seemed to forgotten to mention it. In all the 1940s was the last time members in the New York families transferred between themselves. Boston made a half dozen men and transferred them to the Genovese crime family as a favor to Vito Genovese, but that was between Boston and the Genovese crime family, not between New York families, however the other New York families would have to be informed of it before hand to make sure the Genovese crime family was not going over the set amount of made members in their family.
"I have this Nightmare. I'm on 5th avenue watching the St. Patrick's Day parade and I have a coronary and nine thousand cops march happily over my body." Chief Sidney Green
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Re: Mancuso shelves Joe c, porky and company
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07/20/19 05:39 AM
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Albert Gallo was not made at the time of the transfer.
Furio, I will just give you examples of the San Jose crime family. Dominic Anzalone- made in Pittsburgh Joseph Cerrito- made in Profaci family Salvatore Cerrito- made in Profaci family Joseph Cusenza- made in Detroit Tony Ditri- made in Bonanno family Vincenzo Figlia- made in Profaci family Anthony Maggio- made in Philadelphia Salvatore Marino Sr- made in Pittsburgh Filippo Morici- made in Chicago, transferred to one of the New York families, then transferred to San Jose. Anthony Scavuzzo- made in Newark family, transferred to Bonanno family, then to San Jose. Carmelo Sciortino- made in Los Angeles, transferred to San Francisco, then to San Jose Salvatore Vassallo- made in Bonanno family Giuseppe Vicari- made in New Orleans Stefano Zoccoli- made in Pittsburgh Ok thanks Giacomo.
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