What happened to "the family have a lot of buffers"

I get what you are saying but it happens in that life more then you think and even if it two solders or nightclub owner most time one of them have the books and many times it just so happens that many are not involved in the murder or disappearance , so yeah you can spin it different ways .

You know people in that life that are married in like a wife she is told from the get go to hand stuff over or don’t ever and it sounds like Wild Bills knew the ropes and most likely all the family in the house could have .

It just went the way it did.

Give me an example of someone that got given money-making rackets of guy that just got hit, even though they had no involvement in the hit? I can't think of anyone who got given money-making rackets of a dead man even though they weren't involved in the hit.

There are endless guys ..... almost every racket belongs to the family and many that did for example, like a restaurant guys will borrow money and then that belongs to the shy thats the shy the money per say the family.

Many know when a guy is in trouble or headed for trouble in the family and guys will borrow cash just in case the guy gets hit ,and if he does the soldier or soldiers are hoping it never made it into the shy book so if he gets hit there is no pay back on the loan.

Almost nothing goes with the person....most everything goes to the family ( LCN ) not blood.

But all this is for a different thread .

some internet mafia researcher started a thecolombomafia.com its worth a read if your a reader. him and the lcnbios guy have very cool sites. open to the public to

I say Andrew Russo must be retired now, he's 86, maybe an advisor at best. ; l believe Michael persico is the boos now...but who is watching the shop while he's gone, billy russo???

Guessing andy russo and probaly his son billy doing the day to day. Andy like you say if his mind is still rite the final say

I belive michael persico is made but he just does his brothers biddding. Handles all the legit stuff. But that 5yrs or 4 whatever he got might make him go 100percent legit. No a guy like him couldnt be boss for the same reason tommy gambino couldnt be boss. Like gotti said tommy gambinos a gentleman a class act but no boss. Something like that. Then shitbag sammy the bull in his book calls tommy gambino a dress maker when fucking gravano was a hair stylist WTF. not even a barber a hair stylist weird.

They must be doing some type of surveillance or checking for wires or something is different because nobody knows nothing other then they been making guys . And the old chart of course.

There are a bunch of guys that were not street guys that were made and did not need everyone knowing....there are / were plenty of earners that have never known to be made .

And of course if you think anyone is going to the joint that’s at the top of the family even if he doesn’t want it is not made before going away for years is not made you are crazy.


Just for the other made guys and associates that would try to extort the shit out of them and of course if the guy is made and from another family and wants to go after MP then he can .....no way he is not protected by the family......no way he is a sitting duck.

thats what im saying. fat tony inducted jimmy napoli in the late 70tys because he was going to prison and fat tony wanted no made guys from other familys fucking with him. he was like the biggest numbers guy in nyc and into the broadway play scene with his wife or something. think this came from fish cafaro. mike persico must have been the bank just like chins kid in that mansion with 3 million in cash that the feds said was a genovese slush fund. mike was the guy surplying tghe 100k loans to his cousins who were doing the collections. they had him on tape telling one of his cousins not to hurt the guy physically. but the russo's snuck over his house well he was on house arrest for them 5yrs awaiting his appeals on that plea deal. got inducted in his bathroom fact lol

lol, good point

Does anyone know who were the hang-arounds accompanying Angelo Spata at his hearing/trial? Are they just family or are connected?

ya he calls him a dress maker but forgets to add he own the garment district in nyc from from like 1960 till present day even thou its in other family members names. while sammy was the inspiration for dont mess with the zohan

the fat guy smoking is his brother vincent

The fat guy looks like a persico

They might be grooming spata to be boss one day, they take care of that guy

Michael Persico doesn’t need to be made though, right? I mean he can remain as an associate so the feds can’t charge him as a made member, so when he gets busted he gets lighter sentences... like the Genovese did with guys like Ponte.

But because he’s a Persico he’s not really a true associate in the sense that he’d report to a solider, he’d report directly to Allie Boy and the other admin members, or even work alongside them. I mean, who’s gonna fuck with a Persico regardless if he has stripes or not? His name alone signals he has the whole family behind him and whatever he does was ordered by the boss.

I’m a Butcher.

Is there really that many persicos that are made/ in the life? Idk too much about them but it seems like they have a small army just between their blood family.

I was reading the guy who writes the colombo blog. Tommy shots had a nice run from 98 to 2008. Read his article on him tons of insite. I think after massino and vitale flipped he said fuck it him and sonny franzese made abunch of guys all over long island. They had that place locked up. Im working taking a shit type more later

Not really, but you also have cousins,in-laws, uncles , second cousins and it goes deep ! and there are a lot . They also been bringing family over from Italy for years and years .

But as far as Persico’s sir name goes in the crime family it’s dying off at the top and started with Allie.

Ask Pmac even the woman Persico’s there for the family....they don’t fuck with there men to get out ....they are all in.

Yea they all seem to believe in the life. Especially the females and wives I follow a lot of them on social media and it seems like they all support eachother and look out for eachother. Now are all the russos mobbed up too? I know they are cousins and it seems like there’s a lot of them as well.

I read that same shit about Tommy shots whoever it is that wrote that did a great job. Tommy is the real deal veryow key and not afraid to off someone. It blows my mind that he’s actually going to get out of prison At a decent age after all the murders he was involved in..especially the rob dols hit being that he was a cop so what do u think he gets out and jumps back into things or he pulls away and lives out his life getting chubby in Miami?

Ya that dude does he research. He was wriiting tommy shots shakedowns of bookies was always split with the persicos even as 2008. On a 10k tribute tommy shots would give 5k to angelo spata to bring to the fam. Makes me think maybe allie is the boss. Weird to transfer the top spot to a guy doing natural life. Like almost makes it like a aryan brotherhood mexican mafia thing. I would guess other familys wouldnt appove. Tommy shots was the real deal he posted a recent picture of him. Looks healthy might .make it home. Also allie boy had the power to install ralph deleo as boss a boston guy over brooklyn guys crazy. He even demoted that guy benjamin the claw who made alot more money then his bullshit about living in a trailer park in new jersey. Guy was shaking down unions bookies card games. Had alot of dough

This has been a great thread, very informative and lots of good solid opinions backed with reasons to support the opinions. I've got a new opinion on the family based on the thread. It may be the smallest and youngest family with a lot of intra family turmoil in the past. Since Carmine took over and won the war with Orena they don't seem to get the credit as I think they deserve as a stable family. I also think they're not as much a modern crime family but more "Old School" with more gangsters than criminals. I'm betting the other families wouldn't want to start with them since I doubt they have the balls the Columbo's do. Just my opinion.

You should research the boss Andrew russo, his story is just as interesting if not more than carmines...his family almost single handedly kept the persico's in power