Exactly , in 2019 with all technology and the amount of informants on the streets ,you can't stay under the radar for a long time. Take a look at guys that take care of cartel shipments, they get wiped off in 5 years max , only thing keeping those groups active are constant flow of new members from Mexico.

RICO is only in place in America. Say an associate did it in the EU?

In New York, sure you are right. The Feds watch closely they don't want war or new groups.

But look how many RICO cases against russians in Florida,Cali oder midwest we saw ? Not much.
The Midwest families were less destroyed by Feds but by aging.
Outside New York i don't know one RICO case connected with FBI middle East squad . So chaldean, lebanese, pakistanis are more or less not under pressure.


Exemplary in last 5-10 years New Orleans had only three RICO cases and all three against gangs.
How many cases in Phoenix, AZ ?

Social changes are maybe the worst enemy against OLD OC groups. But it doens't mean that there are no possibilities for OC groups. The whole Pay Day loan are perfect for them.

Why do you keep saying RICO ? People are getting locked up 15-20 years without RICO when there are drugs involved. No need for RICO to wipe out small groups

There are no hope if they don't have constant flow of new members,especially if they get too powerful , they will get wiped out.

But say they do? It's not entirely impossible. I think they have refrained from doing it because the odds are stacked against them, and those who aspire to be will aspire to be with one of the existing orgs.

In the 'Ndrangheta, the locali enjoy a high degree of autonomy when it comes to conducting business. But the structure of the hierarchy is not negotiable. When Carmelo Novella, the head of the Lombardy 'Ndrangheta, tried to operate independently, he was shot dead in 2008.

the same is for cosa nostra, when some members formed the so called stidda it started a war that left hundreds dead, in the states i never heard somebody formed an own family without permission of the others families it's not like crips and bloods or ms13 that can form their own group easily

Nobody talks about drugs.

Gambling without RICO

Both Cases against longtime gambler and mafia connected guys.

Virgina:
https://pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/article_4ced73b5-0a01-5b8e-bcc4-7df5a855e321.html

https://www.pilotonline.com/news/article_e243a8d9-c0c2-5243-b6ab-d4ede8ebdede.html

Pennsylvania:
https://www.casino.org/news/pennsylvania-family-charged-with-running-illegal-gambling-operation

https://triblive.com/local/westmore...d-gambling-ring-wants-charges-dismissed/

This case is "huge" but i suspect we will don't see prison terms over 5 years.

another example
“Operation Pork Chop" No jail time for nobody.


Cali:
https://signalscv.com/2017/11/saugus-man-gets-1-3-years-prison-corruption/

Ron (the Cigar) Sacco:
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Leader-of-Offshore-Betting-Ring-Gets-68-Month-Term-3042922.php
(It is "one of the longest sentences secured by the United States for bookmaking-related offenses" since the federal sentencing guidelines were enacted a decade ago) (6years).


Drugs is a different story. If you catch it is hard do get a good deal. But further you are away from the street trade, the better your chances of not being seen

To be clear i do not say it is an "easy way or without punishment". But if a criminal group disappear. The criminal market still exist. Maybe they shrink but they still exist. So it's normal that others guy's try to take over. For me logical that some associate or low level guys try it. If they had succes they get money with money they get new chance to earn more money. With more money they get connection...... I mean USA isn't a state without OC. And some white collar guys are more involve in such things as most people thinking.

That’s right b

this questions like why dont a group of white kids from the suburbs become a gang and call it latin kings. i guess they could but it just wouldnt work long term

Right, you need to understand the people and the neighborhoods to know the answer to a question like this.

I was thinking more ike 10-20 associates move somewhere like DES MOINES and set up shop. get ties with the british columbia weed dealers etc and just make a big LCN org in a new city. I get it most guys want to be in the hood with the guys they know. family ties etc. it was purely hypothetical situation.

I find this thread very intruiging
I don't get why everyone's saying it would be impossible
The families probably got small crews of 10-20 men in all kinds of states and towns or cities. Guys operating gambling and loansharking in say Missouri or Louisiana
Who's to say there really aren't an under the radar crime family somewhere that the feds haven't picked up on?
40-50 guys in total are enough to make millions and have some muscle on the streets.
I find it very possible and I guess the future is when we'll ever know. Suddenly there is a massive mob bust in New Orleans or in Salem, Oregon

I'm consistently seeing new groups emerging from within older ones. The Mallardo clan split, the Piscopisani clan, there are emerging clans in Canada, yall gotta stop using the Five Families as the Contemporary model, it's actually NOT really accurate...

@m2w

What did you think about Renauds new article? The Canada guys on the other board wont go near it, it seems....

@CabriniGreen

Good point

A passage in the article of Renaud

The police no longer speak systematically among themselves of "traditional Italian organized crime" (COTI), but of Italian organized crime. The traditional word has been evacuated.

I think most of italian organized crime has changed a long time ago, but most people still think its work with the old ways.

in italy and the united states italian organized crime is the same as it was in the past (ranks, ceremonies etc.) canada is just an exception if it true what renaud said

Do we have infos on italian and US families?
Infos that are at least from the 2010s ?

Because alot of the infos how those families are working are kind of old.

I must have missed something then...what’s “new” among Italian OC in North America? What’s no longer traditional? As m2w stated, ceremonies and ranks are still key and promoted. Alliances change but that’s more than normal.

According to some of the most knowledgeable posters around here, remnants of defunct crime families are still active and spread out. Albeit not in the structured LCN form they once were but still “around” and involved. Nothing major I imagine, but enough to still shed some influence over those often forgotten locales. This is especially true along the rust belt, areas like Scranton-Wilkes Barre, Youngstown-Monongahela areas as well as Pittsburgh.

I guess we could refer to them as the “Out in the Sticks crews”.

there are very recent infos of both organized crime families in italy and the states, and there is not any difference between today and past organized crime groups, aside the level of power and influence the structure is the same

I do think there is now more opportunism and they are less religious and family oriented like society as a whole.

I think that the Stidda (The Star) can be a good example:in the 1970s after the Corleonesi killed Giuseppe Di Cristina the boss of Riesi,more of his men was shelved and decided to create their own organization calling it the Stidda and making new members without the Sicilian Commission approval and choosed Gela because there was few men of honor there in 1970s-1980s.

^ despite being an interesting map, please be advised that most of it lacks any sort of actual source. I own that book and there is no index of some sort with actual data showing how that layout was mapped. At least the one covering the USA.

Also it needs to be said that many of those “families” are not active per-se but more like some geographical connections to Italian areas run by certain crime families and alleged/general links to individuals living on American soil, such as the Springfield MA reference. Most Genovese associates living in Western MA are descendants of Avellinese and Nolani immigrants or are immigrants themselves (like Emilio Fusco), but, other than that, actual links to overseas organizations have yet to be proven.

Same for the Terrasini connection in Detroit. The D’Anna brothers (Domenico and Girolamo) are related to mafiosi from that area but that’s not enough to imply that the D’Annas out of Sicily run any activity in metro Detroit.

Take it with a grain of salt or, at best, as a way to explore some blood-and-immigration-lines.