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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/10/20 12:26 PM
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Because the Sardinia was always very poor so from 1960s to 1997 born the Anonima sarda a gruop of various gangs focused on the kidnappings for ransom (about 150 kidnappings have been counted between 1960 and 1997). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonima_sardaThanks for the info. Bit they never tried to organized some Kind of group like the rest of italy?
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/10/20 02:57 PM
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I believe Burlesconi had a place in Sardinia, I think he hosted then UK PM Tony Blair and his wife. Burlesconi is an interesting character on his own, with implied P2/Mafiosi contacts.
The Island of Malta may be a tax haven?, not sure, Monaco, was used as one in the past. Also, the Knights of Malta is a wing of the Jesuits of Catholic Church, which Joe Bonanno was inducted.
I think there is a pic of Bonanno inducting in the thread about Saputo.
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In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/10/20 05:50 PM
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Here is a lot of false statements. Proceed in order. Whats the different between Sicily and Sardinia ? In 1861 Sicily was finaly affiliated with Italy. From the end of rome they where under foreign ownership. After 1861, the state was completely in northern hands. The mafia was the cradle of foreign rule and feudalism. What was the situation in Sardinia? Sardinia was affiliated with Spain-Habsburg. Catalan and Sardinian language are connected with each other. After 1794 sardinia was part for the Kingdome of Sardinia and Piemont. They were never in such extreme way isolated like siciliy. Organized Crime in Sardinia In 60's 70's and less in 80's some villages were famous for kidnapping and other stuff. Sometimes they was called Anonima sequestri. This phenomenon was directly linked to the poverty of the Sardinians. In Germany sometimes they call guys for jobs for example to burn a house down.This guys were more freelancer i think. Current situation. Of course they exist a local organzed crime For example Old thugs like Graziano Mesina https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10113587/Sardinian-bandit-hero-returns-to-his-criminal-ways.html Or newI'm sure other groups are also in Sardinia. But you have to get local guys are share. The Upperworld ist much more import in Sardinia. To Malta, the whole island is a single mafia. Cosa nostra can do business. But they don't control the Maltese. Historical, maltese criminals are strong involved in different racketeering in London. But there are still supposed to be boys from them today
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/11/20 07:57 AM
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The island is large but underpopulated with not even 2 million inhabitants, and inland people were engaged in sheep farming while those who live along the coast work with tourism.
Too poverty for create a native organizated oc gruop. and calabria?? it was underpopulated and even poorer... i bet the main reason is that sardinia was not part of the kingdom of the two sicilies, the mafia groups were born thanks to favorable historical environment and links with politicians and masonry since the beginning Sardinia is mostly mountainous and until the 1960s with the explosion of tourism, most of the islanders work was the sheep farming while Calabria still had large cities and some industries,today there are few people that lives in Sardinia that in Calabria. Tre only difference was that the calabrians used the ransoms for entry in the drug trafficking while the sardinians continue with the kidnapping without invest the money because were various gangs without a verticale structure.
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/11/20 09:04 AM
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The island is large but underpopulated with not even 2 million inhabitants, and inland people were engaged in sheep farming while those who live along the coast work with tourism.
Too poverty for create a native organizated oc gruop. and calabria?? it was underpopulated and even poorer... i bet the main reason is that sardinia was not part of the kingdom of the two sicilies, the mafia groups were born thanks to favorable historical environment and links with politicians and masonry since the beginning Sardinia is mostly mountainous and until the 1960s with the explosion of tourism, most of the islanders work was the sheep farming while Calabria still had large cities and some industries,today there are few people that lives in Sardinia that in Calabria. Tre only difference was that the calabrians used the ransoms for entry in the drug trafficking while the sardinians continue with the kidnapping without invest the money because were various gangs without a verticale structure. yes but ndrangheta started in the late 1800s it has nothing to do with drug trafficking, that's a business that emerged far later... i mean the reasons why mafia-style groups did not develop in sardinia are historical, no feudal system, different politics etc.
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/12/20 02:35 PM
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I think Sardinia bandits never get this kind of protection. Never forgett after the II WW cosa nostra was finish. But they get "green light" to rebuild because they need them to fight against left groups. Sardinia never had a secret society like CN. But of course they have criminals groups. In old days they also had vendettas.
Good point. The Corsican mob also benefited greatly from the end of WW2. They played a key role in the French Resistance networks and were rewarded when the war was over. They were given control of the gambling clubs in Paris (called "Cercles de jeux") which are, to this day, the only gambling places allowed in the Paris area. The Corsicans were already running Marseille underworld, turning it into the drug capital of the world for some time, and the decision to have them run the Paris gambling clubs allow them to get a piece of the Paris underworld, making them the biggest CO in France. Finally, Corsicans are also heavily involved in gambling in French speaking Africa and that also goes back to the post WW2 era. So I guess, as you said, one of the reasons why Sardinians didn't follow the path of their Sicilian and Corsican cousins is also because they were not given the same opportunities at the end of WW2.
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/12/20 03:45 PM
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I think Sardinia bandits never get this kind of protection. Never forgett after the II WW cosa nostra was finish. But they get "green light" to rebuild because they need them to fight against left groups. Sardinia never had a secret society like CN. But of course they have criminals groups. In old days they also had vendettas.
Good point. The Corsican mob also benefited greatly from the end of WW2. They played a key role in the French Resistance networks and were rewarded when the war was over. They were given control of the gambling clubs in Paris (called "Cercles de jeux") which are, to this day, the only gambling places allowed in the Paris area. The Corsicans were already running Marseille underworld, turning it into the drug capital of the world for some time, and the decision to have them run the Paris gambling clubs allow them to get a piece of the Paris underworld, making them the biggest CO in France. Finally, Corsicans are also heavily involved in gambling in French speaking Africa and that also goes back to the post WW2 era. So I guess, as you said, one of the reasons why Sardinians didn't follow the path of their Sicilian and Corsican cousins is also because they were not given the same opportunities at the end of WW2. I think I read somewhere Corsicans and Sardinians are actually very close in terms of genetic ancestry as well as language. I also feel for the Sicilians and the Corsicans it was a bit of a "right time, right place" situation. Sicily was close to a major country (and market) like Italy, while Corsica was claimed by France which allowed criminals to move to the south of the country and seeing Marseille was a major port city it was ripe for exploitation. Sardinian criminal never really had these opportunities so something like a major "underworld" never really came into fruition. And once an actual underworld has been allowed to grow and manifest itself in a society, it's nearly impossible to eradicate it. The Sicilian mafia is still going strong and the Corsicans as well are still in business. They largely moved away from narcotics - in France that seems to be an Algerian thing these days - but they still make a lot of money with casino and gambling rackets. And outsiders encroaching on that turf, are still put out of business with the quickness.
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Re: Why is there no mafia in Sardinia?
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04/12/20 04:02 PM
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I’m pretty sure that Napoleon Bonaparte was Corsican, he was Emperor of France. I have heard something about lineage, as well, as friendliness between Sicilian/Southern Italians and Corsicans, because of this, etc.
French Connection, prime example.
In Sicily, women are more dangerous than the shotgun.
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