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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: Zavattoni]
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04/29/20 12:06 AM
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You just posed a question thats been asked before but needs to be reevaluated. Was Angelo Bruno a Good Boss?
I've always been of the thought process that logically, if you get clipped or end up spending the rest of your life in the can, you were automatically not a great boss... I have in the past considered Bruno a good Boss but this is before certain information. I've gave him lots of credit in longevity and being considered a big earner in gambling before being Boss. But his leadership style was counter-productive.
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: Dob_Peppino]
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04/29/20 06:16 AM
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Zavattoni
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You just posed a question thats been asked before but needs to be reevaluated. Was Angelo Bruno a Good Boss?
I've always been of the thought process that logically, if you get clipped or end up spending the rest of your life in the can, you were automatically not a great boss... I have in the past considered Bruno a good Boss but this is before certain information. I've gave him lots of credit in longevity and being considered a big earner in gambling before being Boss. But his leadership style was counter-productive. Definitely counter-productive. His guys were starving financially and trying to make money. Bruno wasn't having it.... Shit; His own cousin John Scimone turnt on him. I'm curious to see why he did. He died like a man though; Gravano let him take his shoes off before he was shot in the head.
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: DanteMoltisanti]
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04/29/20 06:45 AM
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Serpiente
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And here is another thing ... Phil didn’t get a change in his appearance.... he got a face lift .... they say it was reconstructive....but it was a glorified face lift .
I hear guys are using all my info other places and saying stuff they should not know ..... but they are putting a little spin on it like they herd from a third cousin or some shit .
But yeah that face lift is and was done with a year later and now its just Phil and yeah like someone said he doesn’t want the neighbors to see him now and of course its been 30 years he looks older .... but trust me he is same. Serp, with all due respect everyone associated with the old Ducktown neighborhood knows that Phil had "Plastic Surgery" to alter his appearance when he was really playing the FBI to look better and younger. I am really close with a relative of Phil's through marriage, she tells me Phil comes back to AC several times a year and told me about his new appearance. He really wont have any problems as long as he stays out of Margate in the summer and the AC casinos. I said this on the other board as well. Yeah but you are around here ... others just spin shit ...... you knew he had a face lift because two or three years back when i seen him and told you and many other things that nobody knows and you didn’t repost , and then say i was not from here or similar ....but like i said you are here....others read and tell people that i am not even from here that i only read his book ...... got to love it .... only person that gave more info is Phil himself .... and feds. Just saying you cant say i am not from here , and read my post , and repost in different words and then still say i am not from here . Lol got to love it ! I dot look at other sites or listen to all these pod casts ..... but i guess after folks reading my posts here then go on a chat or pod cast or website they repeat everything they remember. Don’t care but they cant say i dont know shit then use all my info as like they were there....lol...internet i There were only five people in the restaurant that day other then employees and employees were there for 30 plus years. And like i said Phil should do something or stop saying shit about Skinny because of the people you speak of .... kind of important dont you think . Had a guy years ago ask some stuff so i gave him some stuff nobody knew ..... then he comes back and asks me about a name or two ....i said I didn’t know them .... i did know them they are cousins.....but of course i am not telling a word about them......this cat goes and PM a shit load of people saying i have no clue who so and so is .... so SERP can’t be real ..... internet.....lol
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: Zavattoni]
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04/29/20 07:40 AM
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@Dob_Peppino
They definitely did make a example out Caponigro. Tieri screwed him over big time.... Poor guy got $20 doller bills stuck in his a** and was tortured.
Response to Castellano and Bruno relationship; Castellano could care less about Bruno. Castellano was greedy. He prolly had alot to gain by Bruno being dead. The Gambino's were walking all over Bruno and selling coke and heroin in South Jersey. The bars and pizza places. I'm pretty sure Castellano didnt care;, He did lose a vote by proxy on commission decisions though. Someone could prolly elaborate about that.
Bruno gets alot of leeway with being a good boss but was he really???? He seems greedy and cheap like Paul. Guys from different factions was plotting against him Really? If I was the first cop on the scene I would've taken that. "It looks like something was put up his ass, but now it's gone. You wouldn't know about that, would you Moe?" "...It was a canary. It flew away when I opened the trunk. Swear to god!"
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: Serpiente]
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04/29/20 08:00 PM
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Don’t know what happened above ^^^^^
Tony : that’s exactly how we were raised , many now will never understand.
Salvie knew when he first thought that it wasn’t going to work out him marrying Chuckies kid that it may cost him his life..... no doubt about it !!!
Salvie knew that he was in big trouble..... but he put all his trust in Nick and in that life you never do that . Salvie should of married her and sucked up his bad decision and did like thousands of mob guys did.
Exactly Serp, Salvie could have still married her and just like most mob guys, still have his piece on the side. Unless you’re a stupid Fuk like Castellano’s son in law who was cheating and abusing connie Even Gotti’s son in law was cheating on Angela. Never a good move but getting married was better than calling off the engagement. Again, say Chuckie saw it, Salvie asked him for permission. He gave it, dude screwed his daughter. Then took off. Chuckie also wanted Salvie to step down, but I think Salvie didn’t go that route either so things just escalated
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: JCrusher]
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04/29/20 09:40 PM
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Interesting how he said out of the crew it was just Yogi that liked his women..
Joey took after his uncle eh! (Not in the rat department tho!)
. I think Salvie did too. Obviously everybody knows about Maria Merlino but there was also Rosina Rucci who he was on/off with until he died. I also think there was another girl he was with too until he died Rosina wrote a heartfelt book about their relationship , & I always believed she was part of the reason he dropped Maria...there is a picture of them 2gether floating around.
I didn't want to leave blood on your carpet...
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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04/30/20 08:00 AM
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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04/30/20 08:04 AM
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@Dob_Peppino
They definitely did make a example out Caponigro. Tieri screwed him over big time.... Poor guy got $20 doller bills stuck in his a** and was tortured.
Response to Castellano and Bruno relationship; Castellano could care less about Bruno. Castellano was greedy. He prolly had alot to gain by Bruno being dead. The Gambino's were walking all over Bruno and selling coke and heroin in South Jersey. The bars and pizza places. I'm pretty sure Castellano didnt care;, He did lose a vote by proxy on commission decisions though. Someone could prolly elaborate about that.
Bruno gets alot of leeway with being a good boss but was he really???? He seems greedy and cheap like Paul. Guys from different factions was plotting against him Really? If I was the first cop on the scene I would've taken that. "It looks like something was put up his ass, but now it's gone. You wouldn't know about that, would you Moe?" "...It was a canary. It flew away when I opened the trunk. Swear to god!" I read first line of this and knew it had to be moe posting this
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: flamingokid123]
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05/02/20 01:53 PM
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Hey Serp. Did know about Phil's other nickname Jose for Merlino ? Lol No “ but it’s strange how young many here must be because they didn’t know Skinny as a late teen early to mid-twenty’s it was a very different time for him , not that he was the only cat to act like that . We all have someone in the neighborhood , but with a guy like that “ its just lots worse when its a kid of a underboss and the kid pushes everyone and everything. Look the guy has nine fucken lives ... should of been killed five times or more .... should of been put away for life at least five times .... got to give to the little guy .
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: fergie]
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05/06/20 07:09 PM
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@phillyguy39 so mafia bosses can hang around jewish, irish, Asian and Russian gangsters but they can't hang around black gangster???? Yo must be joking, merlino and crew literally shot thier way to the top, all the ex stands and scarfo guys that's on the streets gives merlino an envelope, c'mon.
"McGurn likes you, so I make you. So you are now one of us, if you fuck up, we take it out on McGurn. He is your sponsor. Fuck up, it's his ass. You work in his crew, he is your capo."
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Re: Phil Leonetti valutainment interview
[Re: chin_gigante]
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05/11/20 03:56 PM
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Finally, in the itw, he said Phil Testa made Pete Casella Underboss and not Scarfo because Casella was Sicilian like Testa (Scarfo being Calabrian). I don't think that was the reason. My guess is that Testa knew Scarfo had a lot of power and was close to NY so makin him the Nr.2 would have threatened his leadership. We all know what happen then.
I disagree for a couple of reasons. I think if Testa seriously considered Scarfo a threat rather than an ally we would know about it already through Leonetti (either in his book, interviews or in the information he provided to reports from the NJ SCI). We haven't seen any information to lead us to believe that Testa and Scarfo's relationship was strained at this point and in fact, the evidence we do have points to the contrary. I.e., Scarfo pushing for Testa to become boss in the mid-late 1970s; Testa wanting Scarfo to replace Joe Rugnetta as consigliere; Scarfo siding with Testa in his dispute with Bruno; Scarfo promoting Testa to take over following Bruno's murder; their joint involvement in killing threats to their new leadership (John Simone, Frank Sindone). Regarding the Sicilian and Calabrian factions, Leonetti's claim is supported. From 1959 to 1981 you have an uninterrupted pattern when it comes to the top administration positions. Angelo Bruno and Phil Testa were Sicilians and they chose fellow Sicilians as their underbosses (Ignazio Denaro and Testa for Bruno; Casella for Testa). The consigliere on the other hand was always Calabrian (Rugnetta, Caponigro, Scarfo). In the case of the Philadelphia family, the position of consigliere in the 1960s and 1970s was viewed as not simply the number three man in the hierarchy but as the head of the Calabrian faction. When Joe Rugnetta died in 1977, the only serious* contenders to replace him were all Calabrians (Testa wanted Scarfo, others speculated that Nicholas Piccolo would get it and, finally, the Calabrian faction chose Caponigro for the position). One could make the argument that, while the consigliere is often generalised as the number three role in the family, the consigliere can hold more influence than the underboss at any time (e.g., Philip Rastelli considered Stefano Cannone, his consigliere, as his number two). The general consensus appears to be that Scarfo, as consigliere, carried more weight in the family than Casella did as underboss. Casella also didn't come out of nowhere. His appointment was a surprise and, ultimately, a very bad decision but it wasn't without reason. Casella was a long-time member who had done considerable prison time for the family and he had also set up a couple of meetings for Testa in New York after Bruno was killed. *while not seriously considered for the role, the Sicilian Antonio Pollina made it known he wanted to be consigliere after Rugnetta and was politely turned down by Bruno People from the southern most point of Calabria are very similar to the people of Sicily and vice versa. While the people from northern Calabria are more similar to Neapolitans. I just wanted to throw that in there.
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