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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
[Re: MightyDR]
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05/20/20 12:57 PM
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Thanks for writing this very informative article. When the trial started I was very interested to see how they tied the Meldish murder to Crea and Madonna. But weeks went by and all I read about were liars and screw-ups by the government. When they were convicted I just figured I missed something. You’ve shown that there was no evidence connecting them to the murder and not only that there was even evidence that it had nothing to do with them.
However, you do seem to take it one step further and imply that Crea et al have nothing to do with organized crime and that the government is targeting them for no reason. I have to ask, do you believe Steven L Crea is a totally legitimate citizen who isn’t a member of the mob?
I did not even focus on that. My focus was on the trial and the person being targeted - Crea - without supportive evidence. End of story. I am not digging into whether or not I believe someone is a member of a secret society which in itself is not a crime. A person would have to be caught committing illegal acts to be charged and as far as Crea is concerned that was not the case. No evidence tied him to the charged criminal acts. The purpose of my story was not to identify memberships. It was simply to compare evidence versus charges and regardless of membership or not, in this country, you should be charged based on crimes committed not based on manufactured charges.
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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
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05/21/20 02:41 AM
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Guilt for the Guiltless: The Story of Steven Crea, the Murder of Michael Meldish and Other Tales An in-depth look into the case of Steven L. Crea and how the government wrongly won a conviction against an innocent man for a murder he didn't commit, participate in, or have any knowledge about. https://thenewyorkmafia.com/steven-crea-innocent-meldish-murder/ Another incredibly written, very well researched and informative article. Harvard Professor, and attorney Alan Dershowitz recently wrote a book titled 'Guilt By Accusation,' and in many ways his argument for the lack of fairness in both the media and Judicial system can be applied here. Unfortunate on all ends, and doesn't make society better for anyone. Perhaps Crea's attorneys will consult with Dershowitz for his appeal.
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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
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05/28/20 12:26 PM
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So I read it here's my thoughts... whatever that law is where if your part of a organization and there's a murder your guilty to is crazy. That is just to broad. Why aren't the other 100 luchese members guilty of the murder to. Why they charged Steve creas son then dropped it but not against the father when there first theory was dad passed the order to the son weird. I'm thinking perhaps they charged the son to pressure the dad to confess and/or take a plea bargain? Don't get me wrong, if the older Crea did order the hit (who knows if he did or not) then he is complicit in it. But maybe the killing was not Lucchese family business? At any rate, it's not right to charge the son unless they have actual evidence he was in on it. Read Joseph Massino's court testimony. Bosses order murders. People like Meldish don't get murdered without approval from the leaders in the organisation. I have a cursory grasp of how RICO works and even I fucking get it. I wonder what OP's opinion of this is. Does he think this corrupt cop should've been punished or is he one of the good ones because his corruption was benefiting the mob? https://i.redd.it/c8lnq4ceff151.jpg
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
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05/28/20 12:37 PM
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"MOE" it is very clear your position on this and how you feel evidence and facts of the case should have little impact on someone's level of guilt. So by your logic, jurors should skip all the lack of evidence, conflicting testimonies and convict based on a separate case's testimony from a witness? It is interesting to say the least your thought process and logic. Again, people with your mindset need not have the law and proceedings take place therefore a trial should not exist in the first place. Again, extremely telling argument and opinion. Bottom line is, a situation such as this does not appeal to your train of thought as the entire Justice system should be bypassed, arguments are mute and conviction should be made based on past theories and statements in general as opposed to factual information supported by, discovery and testimony displayed pre and during trial. That is your view and you are entitled to it. As I said no one is here to convince one side one way or another. The purpose of the journalist was to lay out the FACTS and have OPEN-MINDED, unbiased people review and digest.
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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
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05/29/20 07:26 PM
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https://thenewyorkmafia.com/steven-crea-innocent-meldish-murder/9/To me this is the most compelling and frustrating part. There was wiretap evidence indicating that the word on the street was that another family was behind the killing of Meldish (do we know which one?) but the jury wasn't allowed to hear it. Baffling. That means that even if one believes Crea was the underboss and in that role he was privy to all Lucchese family murder plots, the killing of Meldish wasn't actually carried out by the Luccheses.
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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
[Re: MightyDR]
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05/30/20 07:40 AM
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https://thenewyorkmafia.com/steven-crea-innocent-meldish-murder/9/To me this is the most compelling and frustrating part. There was wiretap evidence indicating that the word on the street was that another family was behind the killing of Meldish (do we know which one?) but the jury wasn't allowed to hear it. Baffling. That means that even if one believes Crea was the underboss and in that role, he was privy to all Lucchese family murder plots, the killing of Meldish wasn't actually carried out by the Luccheses. There was a lot of information the jury didn't hear. And somewhere, I think when I talk about them trying to get Otto on the stand, the FBI didn't follow up on those leads regarding the other two families. So, there's a whole slew of things. In addition, one of my favorites is that these wired-up informants can record stuff but the jury isn't allowed to take what they said four years ago as truth...only their interpretation of it NOW in 2019. That doesn't even make any sense to me at all. Meldish was not a well-liked guy which is why that quote is at the beginning from Siebel about the whole universe of people who had a problem with him.
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Re: Guilt for the Guiltless:The Story of Steven Crea .
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