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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: Jeremythejew]
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08/27/20 10:26 AM
08/27/20 10:26 AM
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Friend_of_Henry
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Easy for me 'cause I spent several deer hunting seasons at Charlies Roost with Michael Genovese
"Never walk in a room that you don't know how to get out of"- Henry Zottola
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: Jeremythejew]
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08/27/20 12:48 PM
08/27/20 12:48 PM
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eastsideofvan
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Looking at bosses over the years you can really see the decline from brilliant, Machiavellian businessmen, who were more *likely* to fit the romanticized Hollywood version with supposed codes of honour, etc., to Bosses from the 1980's forward who were image and murder obsessed. From Bruno you get Scarfo, From Corallo you go to Amuso, and in 10 years you go from Gambino to Gotti, etc., etc. - the whole culture and mission of the mafia was inextricably changed. It not only became more public and therefore a greater target for law enforcement, but was also less likely to draw upon more intelligent recruits as traditional discrimination against Italians abated and other opportunities opened up to second and third generation Italians. With rare exception, they stopped attracting the cream of the crop.
All time Boss might well be Frank Costello. He may have been too weak to keep Vito Genovese away, but there's little denying that the organization itself would likely have been better off with Costello's connections and diplomatic skills to leverage them.
Accardo is a great pick. Gambino would be a great pick also.
In the modern era, Massino prior to turning rat deserves a mention, although he ultimately disqualifies himself. Vito Rizzuto doesn't get enough credit. Where even high-achieving Mafiosi would be looking to make millions, Rizzuto looked at rackets and thought about how to make billions. Then he did it, while unquestionably running a whole city and keeping the peace between rival factions and buying off all levels of government for two decades - and never once did he hesitate to pull a trigger. Anyone who he decided was an enemy all of a sudden had a very short expected lifespan.
In the here and now, probably only Barney Bellomo is really worthy of high praise.
I'm not considering any of the Italian bosses in my picks...that's a whole other milieu of which I am not well informed.
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: Hollander]
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08/27/20 05:57 PM
08/27/20 05:57 PM
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ralphie_cifaretto
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. Tony Accardo eight decades at the top, the Accardos are originally from Castelvetrano, home of Messina Denaro. Eight decades at the top? He died at 86. I'm guessing math isn't one of your strong points. mine would be Chin Gigante and Benny Squint for the Genoveses; Carlo Gambino for the Gambinos obviously; Gagliano, Lucchese, Tony Ducks for the Luccheses; Benny Squint is the right choice here
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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08/27/20 08:32 PM
08/27/20 08:32 PM
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. Tony Accardo eight decades at the top, the Accardos are originally from Castelvetrano, home of Messina Denaro. Eight decades at the top? He died at 86. I'm guessing math isn't one of your strong points. I mean a criminal career that spanned eight decades from the 20s to the 90s.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: Dwalin2011]
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08/27/20 09:22 PM
08/27/20 09:22 PM
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NYMafia
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Carlo Caputo from Madison  Never killed anybody, as it seems... You actually picked a good name. Made money. low key. lived a long, long healthy and productive life. Was the BOSS. had a hefty property portfolio. Never a violent guy. Doesn't look like he ever really killed anyone (no blood on his hands or heart), and died in his own bed with his shoes off. and..... Never served real time to speak of (30 days in jail). WOW!! THAT'S a successful career in my book!!
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: eastsideofvan]
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08/27/20 09:26 PM
08/27/20 09:26 PM
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Looking at bosses over the years you can really see the decline from brilliant, Machiavellian businessmen, who were more *likely* to fit the romanticized Hollywood version with supposed codes of honour, etc., to Bosses from the 1980's forward who were image and murder obsessed. From Bruno you get Scarfo, From Corallo you go to Amuso, and in 10 years you go from Gambino to Gotti, etc., etc. - the whole culture and mission of the mafia was inextricably changed. It not only became more public and therefore a greater target for law enforcement, but was also less likely to draw upon more intelligent recruits as traditional discrimination against Italians abated and other opportunities opened up to second and third generation Italians. With rare exception, they stopped attracting the cream of the crop.
All time Boss might well be Frank Costello. He may have been too weak to keep Vito Genovese away, but there's little denying that the organization itself would likely have been better off with Costello's connections and diplomatic skills to leverage them.
Accardo is a great pick. Gambino would be a great pick also.
In the modern era, Massino prior to turning rat deserves a mention, although he ultimately disqualifies himself. Vito Rizzuto doesn't get enough credit. Where even high-achieving Mafiosi would be looking to make millions, Rizzuto looked at rackets and thought about how to make billions. Then he did it, while unquestionably running a whole city and keeping the peace between rival factions and buying off all levels of government for two decades - and never once did he hesitate to pull a trigger. Anyone who he decided was an enemy all of a sudden had a very short expected lifespan.
In the here and now, probably only Barney Bellomo is really worthy of high praise.
I'm not considering any of the Italian bosses in my picks...that's a whole other milieu of which I am not well informed. -------------- EXCELLENT picks and an even MORE excellent synopsis of the mafia landscape of the 20th century. My HIGHEST COMPLIMENTS!!!!! I really mean that. Rarely do I find someone who is as eloquent and descriptive in their explanation of all things Mafia. You could be my "consigliere" anytime! lol
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: alicecooper]
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08/28/20 08:04 AM
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Lou_Para
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Mine were john gotti and vinny basciano because they were low key. John Gotti low key lol are you serious? Not sure what my answer would be. This is kind of like asking what's your favorite kind of cancer. Favorite kind of cancer? OMG, That is too funny! .Best answer yet !
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: alicecooper]
#996152
08/28/20 09:40 AM
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JCrusher
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Mine were john gotti and vinny basciano because they were low key. John Gotti low key lol are you serious? Not sure what my answer would be. This is kind of like asking what's your favorite kind of cancer . . Lenox loves Gotti lol. Even though it’s widely agreed upon he was an awful boss
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: JCrusher]
#996153
08/28/20 09:50 AM
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Mine were john gotti and vinny basciano because they were low key. John Gotti low key lol are you serious? Not sure what my answer would be. This is kind of like asking what's your favorite kind of cancer . . Lenox loves Gotti lol. Even though it’s widely agreed upon he was an awful boss I think Lenox must be kidding here. Because between Gotti and Basciano I couldn't tell you who was more flashy and in your face. Both were hazards to the life. And thats putting it mildly.
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: NYMafia]
#996177
08/28/20 06:28 PM
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eastsideofvan
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Much appreciated, my man. Love your work. Would happily serve as your Consigliere - but I'm not 100% Italian! Looking at bosses over the years you can really see the decline from brilliant, Machiavellian businessmen, who were more *likely* to fit the romanticized Hollywood version with supposed codes of honour, etc., to Bosses from the 1980's forward who were image and murder obsessed. From Bruno you get Scarfo, From Corallo you go to Amuso, and in 10 years you go from Gambino to Gotti, etc., etc. - the whole culture and mission of the mafia was inextricably changed. It not only became more public and therefore a greater target for law enforcement, but was also less likely to draw upon more intelligent recruits as traditional discrimination against Italians abated and other opportunities opened up to second and third generation Italians. With rare exception, they stopped attracting the cream of the crop.
All time Boss might well be Frank Costello. He may have been too weak to keep Vito Genovese away, but there's little denying that the organization itself would likely have been better off with Costello's connections and diplomatic skills to leverage them.
Accardo is a great pick. Gambino would be a great pick also.
In the modern era, Massino prior to turning rat deserves a mention, although he ultimately disqualifies himself. Vito Rizzuto doesn't get enough credit. Where even high-achieving Mafiosi would be looking to make millions, Rizzuto looked at rackets and thought about how to make billions. Then he did it, while unquestionably running a whole city and keeping the peace between rival factions and buying off all levels of government for two decades - and never once did he hesitate to pull a trigger. Anyone who he decided was an enemy all of a sudden had a very short expected lifespan.
In the here and now, probably only Barney Bellomo is really worthy of high praise.
I'm not considering any of the Italian bosses in my picks...that's a whole other milieu of which I am not well informed. -------------- EXCELLENT picks and an even MORE excellent synopsis of the mafia landscape of the 20th century. My HIGHEST COMPLIMENTS!!!!! I really mean that. Rarely do I find someone who is as eloquent and descriptive in their explanation of all things Mafia. You could be my "consigliere" anytime! lol
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: NYMafia]
#996189
08/28/20 10:54 PM
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JCrusher
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Mine were john gotti and vinny basciano because they were low key. John Gotti low key lol are you serious? Not sure what my answer would be. This is kind of like asking what's your favorite kind of cancer . . Lenox loves Gotti lol. Even though it’s widely agreed upon he was an awful boss I think Lenox must be kidding here. Because between Gotti and Basciano I couldn't tell you who was more flashy and in your face. Both were hazards to the life. And thats putting it mildly. I don’t think he is kidding. Every time I make accurate criticisms of Gotti he refutes it 😂
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Re: Favorite mafia boss!!!
[Re: eastsideofvan]
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08/29/20 07:24 AM
08/29/20 07:24 AM
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NYMafia
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Much appreciated, my man. Love your work. Would happily serve as your Consigliere - but I'm not 100% Italian! Looking at bosses over the years you can really see the decline from brilliant, Machiavellian businessmen, who were more *likely* to fit the romanticized Hollywood version with supposed codes of honour, etc., to Bosses from the 1980's forward who were image and murder obsessed. From Bruno you get Scarfo, From Corallo you go to Amuso, and in 10 years you go from Gambino to Gotti, etc., etc. - the whole culture and mission of the mafia was inextricably changed. It not only became more public and therefore a greater target for law enforcement, but was also less likely to draw upon more intelligent recruits as traditional discrimination against Italians abated and other opportunities opened up to second and third generation Italians. With rare exception, they stopped attracting the cream of the crop.
All time Boss might well be Frank Costello. He may have been too weak to keep Vito Genovese away, but there's little denying that the organization itself would likely have been better off with Costello's connections and diplomatic skills to leverage them.
Accardo is a great pick. Gambino would be a great pick also.
In the modern era, Massino prior to turning rat deserves a mention, although he ultimately disqualifies himself. Vito Rizzuto doesn't get enough credit. Where even high-achieving Mafiosi would be looking to make millions, Rizzuto looked at rackets and thought about how to make billions. Then he did it, while unquestionably running a whole city and keeping the peace between rival factions and buying off all levels of government for two decades - and never once did he hesitate to pull a trigger. Anyone who he decided was an enemy all of a sudden had a very short expected lifespan.
In the here and now, probably only Barney Bellomo is really worthy of high praise.
I'm not considering any of the Italian bosses in my picks...that's a whole other milieu of which I am not well informed. -------------- EXCELLENT picks and an even MORE excellent synopsis of the mafia landscape of the 20th century. My HIGHEST COMPLIMENTS!!!!! I really mean that. Rarely do I find someone who is as eloquent and descriptive in their explanation of all things Mafia. You could be my "consigliere" anytime! lol ------------- Eastside, we'd have to make an exception for you. Lol.... you could be like Tom Hagen to my Vito Corleone. Who was a better consigliere than him? Lol
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