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Re: IN HONOR OF COLUMBUS DAY! [Re: Andragathia] #998323
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Originally Posted by Andragathia
And to quite honest, Haiti is a mess today. The DR isn't much better although they are more accomdating to visitors. It's like Africa. The areas Italy controlled prior to ww2 in my opinion would be in better shape today if they still owned them.

Haiti (or DR) was never an Italian colony. Haiti became a French colony in 1625 while the DR remained a Spanish colony into the 1900s I think. You should read into the External Debt of Haiti, it was basically the French shaking them down after they gained their independence. Fascinating and fucked up, like most of history I guess.

Edit: DR became independent in 1844, my bad.

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Re: IN HONOR OF COLUMBUS DAY! [Re: RollinBones] #998325
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I know about Haiti and DR. My point was that they are some fucked up places with extreme poverty and lack of resources with a corrupt government and that if they were still under supervision of foreign government they might be in better shape. The same way other conquered places in the past were better off then they are now. To say Columbus and explorers did all this bad stuff is to diminish the great things that came out of the Americas. For instance Philadelphia takes it's trash on barges to Haiti waters and dumps it. Do you think the French would allow that today. Probably not.
Re: IN HONOR OF COLUMBUS DAY! [Re: Andragathia] #998326
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Italy colonized Somalia. Somalia isn't a place that people want to live. If Italy still had an interest it probably would be better off. Do you think if the outfit owned mgm that a guy could bring in suitcases full of guns and shoot people from the building? Sometimes other people should be in charge even though they aren't perfect. Consider the alternative.
Re: IN HONOR OF COLUMBUS DAY! [Re: Andragathia] #998328
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Originally Posted by Andragathia
I know about Haiti and DR. My point was that they are some fucked up places with extreme poverty and lack of resources with a corrupt government and that if they were still under supervision of foreign government they might be in better shape. The same way other conquered places in the past were better off then they are now. To say Columbus and explorers did all this bad stuff is to diminish the great things that came out of the Americas. For instance Philadelphia takes it's trash on barges to Haiti waters and dumps it. Do you think the French would allow that today. Probably not.

That bit about the trash is interesting. Is that an ongoing practice? I googled it and all I could find was one instance of this happening. An unauthorized dumping in the 1980's, and miraculously it seems like a lot of it actually made it back to Pennsylvania.
Re: IN HONOR OF COLUMBUS DAY! [Re: RollinBones] #998329
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If it's not Haiti it's somewhere else. But do you get my point? Sure Columbus and the Spanish weren't perfect but consider the alternative. I guess the Taino were saints that never did anything to other people. Like native Americans didn't go to war with each other. Conquer other tribes.
Re: IN HONOR OF COLUMBUS DAY! [Re: NYMafia] #998333
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Colombus was around in the 1400’s !!! People were violent and primitive, it was 200 years BEFORE the salem witch trials for gods sakes.
What about all the savage violence that goes on in the Liberal Democratic Cities today !
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A video of the timeline during Columbus's voyages on what was going on in different places in Africa.

If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito.
- African Proverb
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