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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: WhackWhack]
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03/10/21 02:30 PM
03/10/21 02:30 PM
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Jimmybrown
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No one on this Earth has more then 3 true friends that would die for you. No one. In 2021 there are not going to be 4th or 5th generation Italian Americans willing to become made and have a 75% chance of dying in the can. I agree
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: chin_gigante]
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03/10/21 03:58 PM
03/10/21 03:58 PM
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The currency of Cosa Nostra is inductions. If some group of guys decide to make themselves in the middle of nowhere it makes no difference on anything. If you make yourself you can't be introduced to anyone. Effectively, it's like does a falling tree make a sound if no-one is there to hear it. They could call themselves Cosa Nostra all they want, it doesn't make them Cosa Nostra. Correct. And yet, if they choose to just stay in their area and territory. Who's gonna fuck with them? or say they can't do it? Sammy Gravano? Michael Franzese, or Fish Cafaro? Lol.....or any number of other jerkoff's who went bad. Today ,the entire thing is so convoluted it hardly matters, unless you're in NYC, or Jersey. And even there, they are a 'shell' of their former selves. A Tiger with no teeth so to speak .......90% of em live off the reputation of this thing years back
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: NYMafia]
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03/10/21 04:16 PM
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The reason for forming a criminal organization today is to pursue rackets that, presumably, other criminal organizations aren't exploiting or don't seem to care about. That's how the Irish, Russian, Jamaican, Albanian, Latino, etc., gangs got started--some of them when the Mafia was stronger than it is now. As long as the organization isn't stepping on a Mafia family's toes, or has made some accommodation with them (as did the Westies), why would the Mafia care about them? And, for that matter, why would the new organization want to go through all the ritual BS the Mafia supposedly imposes, when the purpose is to get rich quick? And, if it were a new Italian gang, why would they complicate their lives by claiming to be Mafia, when their goal would be to avoid crossing the existing Mafia family's path?
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: majicrat]
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03/10/21 05:24 PM
03/10/21 05:24 PM
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chin_gigante
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As for your comment Chin I'm missing your point, I don't think under my scenario the fictitious family is looking for any family to acknowledge them, they don't need there support or approval not like in the Prohibition days when different families controlled areas and provided security to the other families running liquor and so on. So the idea NY doesn't acknowledge them is even better. The less notoriety the better. Sure then, anyone could call themselves the Mafia and copy the structure and some of the ceremonies. But it wouldn't make them Cosa Nostra. In the same way that being a copycat wouldn't make someone the Zodiac killer. It just seems like a very strange thing to do and I can't see why anyone would want to do it
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: Turnbull]
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03/10/21 05:29 PM
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The reason for forming a criminal organization today is to pursue rackets that, presumably, other criminal organizations aren't exploiting or don't seem to care about. That's how the Irish, Russian, Jamaican, Albanian, Latino, etc., gangs got started--some of them when the Mafia was stronger than it is now. As long as the organization isn't stepping on a Mafia family's toes, or has made some accommodation with them (as did the Westies), why would the Mafia care about them? And, for that matter, why would the new organization want to go through all the ritual BS the Mafia supposedly imposes, when the purpose is to get rich quick? And, if it were a new Italian gang, why would they complicate their lives by claiming to be Mafia, when their goal would be to avoid crossing the existing Mafia family's path? True. Also, when you really think about it. How many actual 'rackets' are even left to create, or fight over anyway?? Not many, that's for certain. You got sports bookmaking (which is weakening by the day because of legality), shylocking, shakedowns (which is debatable), and narcotics. After that, what's REALLY left to fuck around with?? there are NO labor unions which are 90% gone. And NO Mafia run; policy-numbers operations, horse betting, truck hijacking, cargo-pier thefts, stolen or counterfeit securities, counterfeit or stolen credit cards, bankruptcy frauds (bust outs) are at a bare minimum, cigarette smuggling, floating dice games, illegal underground casinos, after-hours alcohol clubs, pornography, prostitution, organized high-end burglaries and bank thefts, large auto-theft rings, safe-cracking, etc., etc., etc. It's largely over!!! And has been for several decades already. Unless a guy wants to complete with 5-million other guys all chasing the same 50 cent piece as a bookie, or to put out a few loans. Or to risk your balls selling junk. Whats left?? Legit business, thats what. So even if guys wanted to mobilize into a 'crew,' what are they gonna do once they are formed? Play pinnacle? Lol
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: NYMafia]
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03/10/21 09:06 PM
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[quote=Turnbul
Unless a guy wants to complete with 5-million other guys all chasing the same 50 cent piece as a bookie, or to put out a few loans. Or to risk your balls selling junk. Whats left??
Legit business, thats what.
So even if guys wanted to mobilize into a 'crew,' what are they gonna do once they are formed? Play pinnacle? Lol [quote=NYMafia][quote=Turnbull] That’s all. Dope and guys who want to bet football with you so they don’t have to pay taxes. Technology fucked half the rackets up and the government legalized the other half.
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: WhackWhack]
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03/10/21 10:34 PM
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eastsideofvan
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I think within 20-30 years there will be either 1 total family or just the Gambino and Genovese maybe Lucchese. Not enough young talent to fill 5 families now. But there will always be 1000+ Italian Americans willing to be in that life so it will fully go away. I would tend to agree with this. It's hard to imagine why an already rare talented young wiseguy-wannabe is going to decide to hook up with the Colombos if the Genovese and Gambino's who are already themselves desperate for talent would take the same guy. A solid prospect these days is going to be so rare that they will have their pick of where they want to be. Who's going to willingly choose the DeCavalcante family if the Gambino's will take them? Healthy competition is a good thing and so I could see there always being two...maybe three families in the New York area, but right now I would say the DeCavalcantes, Colombos and Bonannos are all in very real danger of fizzling out in the coming 20 years. Maybe the Lucchese family makes it, maybe they don't. But even the Genovese and Gambino's are getting collectively older all the time. Not a lot of talent coming up. At least the Gambino's have some zips coming over.
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: majicrat]
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03/10/21 11:45 PM
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I'm sure every city that once had a family still has people who are active, especially in gambling. That was one of the original vices and I think the reason the Genovese have stayed powerful this long is because they always kept their shit together when it came to those vices, those things bored men will always want. Sex (still illegal to pay for in most places), gambling (still illegal or heavily regulated most places), loansharking (still illegal everywhere), and these are the vices least prioritized by law enforcement. Get into drugs and it's another story.
But the days of corrupting unions (at least to the degree that they were a half century ago), political fixing, high end corporate rigging? Long gone, never coming back. Too much oversight, plus Wall Street has made many of these rackets legal and took them over.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: DillyDolly]
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03/11/21 11:20 AM
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I believe all 5 families will draw recruits from the old country, and it's actually helpful to have more than one family, because when there's only one family it makes it easier for the feds to pounce on them with all of their resources. The Italian groups don't need LCN to operate in America now but we have seen that for example Riina and Provenzano were always interested in the affairs of the NY mafia.
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: Hollander]
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03/11/21 12:18 PM
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MolochioInduced
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I believe all 5 families will draw recruits from the old country, and it's actually helpful to have more than one family, because when there's only one family it makes it easier for the feds to pounce on them with all of their resources. The Italian groups don't need LCN to operate in America now but we have seen that for example Riina and Provenzano were always interested in the affairs of the NY mafia. If those involved whether in America, Italy or around the world are doing anything even close to the original thing or things they were part of, the relationships could be strengthened just out of shared culture and enemies (LE, etc.).
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Re: Today, not the past
[Re: majicrat]
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03/11/21 05:59 PM
03/11/21 05:59 PM
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I think the whole don't join or risk being a target thing is bullshit. Every member of every gang is a target, so why even be affiliated if you don't have aspirations to be a full-fledged member someday, unless you're a semi-legitimate businessman acting as a front. If everyone has that mentality, then yes the Mafia will shrivel up into nothing. Prison and death comes with the territory, if you're that damn scared of being a target, don't even get involved in crime in the first place. Francis Guerra is a long time colombo associate that refused to be made because he said that he have enough respect on the streets,is free to do what they want and that the Feds would immediatly put a target on him anf thanks too the Rico he would risk harsh sentences. It isnt the wiseguy that refused to be made in this years.
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