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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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04/13/21 01:43 PM
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William Bentvena was killed by associates without approval and nothing was done? That's odd. The Gambino's should really be embarrassed. They murdered tommy desimone who killed him, Gotti at first tried to have Tommy’s father in law set him up(the father in law was part of the Gotti crew) but eventually he was brought to a fake making ceremony and killed Also Foxy Jethroe was killed by Tommy Desimone and that was another reason he was killed... Bentevena was better known as Billy Batts
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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04/14/21 08:21 AM
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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04/14/21 03:29 PM
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I thought it’d be interesting to make a list of made guys who were killed by other families. When you look at it (please feel free to add other names i have forgotten or don’t know about), you see that, rarely, one family decided to kill a made guy from another family without approval.
The rules of Cosa Nostra are well respected in that matter, despite few exceptions.
- Franck Piccolo (Gambino) killed by the Genovese family with the approval of the Gambino Family over a business matter.
- Shorty Spero (Colombo) killed by a made guy from the Genovese family (Gerry Pappa) for personal reasons and without the approval of the Colombo family.
- Gerry Pappa (Genovese) killed by the Colombo family with the approval of the Genovese family.
- William Bentvena (Gambino) killed by associates of the Lucchese Family for personal reasons without the approval of the Gambino Family.
- Eddie Lino (Gambino) and Bobby Borriello (Gambino) killed by the Lucchese Family in retaliation for their involvement in the attempted hit on Gaspipe Casso. The Lucchese did not seek approval from the Gambinos.
- John Simone (Philadelphia) killed by the Gambino family on order from the Commission and with the approval of the Philly Family.
- Antonio Caponigro (Philadelphia) and Freddie Salerno (I think he was made ?) killed by the Genovese family in retaliation for their involvement in the hit on Angelo Bruno.
- Gaetano Amato (Genovese) « accidently » killed by the Colombo family during the third Colombo war while he was stainding next to men from the Orena faction. The Genovese did not retaliate.
- Augie Maniaci (Milwaukee) killed by the Chicago Family as a request from the Milwaukee Family because he was contesting the leadership position.
Solid list Malavita. I was gonna make a list, but you took the words right out of my mouth. Lo
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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04/16/21 01:56 PM
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I don't trust Henry Hill's account of anything. He his the one and only source for the killing. I think they may killed a person, probably a guy in the drug rackets over a dumb bar fight, but I don't think it was anyone made, or that DeSimone was tricked into thinking he was going to get made in order to kill him. I wonder if Henry Hill's book version of events (Which differ from the movie) are in his original briefings from when he began to rat? In the book I think DeSimone killed the so-called Billy Bats 2 weeks after the "shine box" argument in a different bar. Al Darco also spoke about this hit as well, also multiple other sources including Willie Boy Johnson and James Cardanali as well as the NYPD Files and picture of Billy Batts...You dont need to just take Henry Hills word, you can take take the totality of the evidence and words of Al D'Arco, Willie Boy Johnson, James Cardanali and Remo Franschisi for that matter..... Al Darco literally descibed himself running into Tommy Desimone and Bruno Facciola who told him they were going to a making ceremony and then he was murdered there.. ps its pretty obvious your upset because I called you a child molesting supporter so you challenge everything I say but im not sure what I should call someone that refuses to believe witnesses, thousands of pages of FBI Files, FBI wiretaps of the subjects in theyre own words admitting to it, evidence found during raids including financial records and video evidence and multiple articles and NYPD files that contain non refutable obvious evidence.....Not trying to derail the thread just telling it like it is...
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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04/16/21 03:09 PM
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I don't trust Henry Hill's account of anything. He his the one and only source for the killing. I think they may killed a person, probably a guy in the drug rackets over a dumb bar fight, but I don't think it was anyone made, or that DeSimone was tricked into thinking he was going to get made in order to kill him. I wonder if Henry Hill's book version of events (Which differ from the movie) are in his original briefings from when he began to rat? In the book I think DeSimone killed the so-called Billy Bats 2 weeks after the "shine box" argument in a different bar. Al Darco also spoke about this hit as well, also multiple other sources including Willie Boy Johnson and James Cardanali as well as the NYPD Files and picture of Billy Batts...You dont need to just take Henry Hills word, you can take take the totality of the evidence and words of Al D'Arco, Willie Boy Johnson, James Cardanali and Remo Franschisi for that matter..... Al Darco literally descibed himself running into Tommy Desimone and Bruno Facciola who told him they were going to a making ceremony and then he was murdered there.. ps its pretty obvious your upset because I called you a child molesting supporter so you challenge everything I say but im not sure what I should call someone that refuses to believe witnesses, thousands of pages of FBI Files, FBI wiretaps of the subjects in theyre own words admitting to it, evidence found during raids including financial records and video evidence and multiple articles and NYPD files that contain non refutable obvious evidence.....Not trying to derail the thread just telling it like it is... Your first paragraph is ok, but then you turn around and attack me for the second time today, totally unproved too. I'm upset that you called me a child molesting supporter...is that shocking? You also said me and NYMafia ran a child porn ring. I said nothing about you here, so stop this.
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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Has anyone ever confirmed with a mugshot or anything definitive that "Billy Batts" even existed? Henry was full of shit about a lot of things and I think it's kind of odd that no pictures of this guy ever surfaced. I mean, he's pretty infamous from that scene in a classic flick. Theres pictures online as well as nypd files that back this up...Foxy Jethroe was around that time and in similar situaiion The only photo I've ever seen attributed to Billy Batts is actually Pat Spirito's mugshot out of Philly.
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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Has anyone ever confirmed with a mugshot or anything definitive that "Billy Batts" even existed? Henry was full of shit about a lot of things and I think it's kind of odd that no pictures of this guy ever surfaced. I mean, he's pretty infamous from that scene in a classic flick. I found him on ancestry.com at one time. Birth name was spelled Bentivgna
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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Solid list Malavita. I was gonna make a list, but you took the words right out of my mouth. Lo
You should write an article about it NYM. It'd be interesting to go into details of each killings.I'm sure you can dig up some interesting stuff. Something should aslo be done on Furio's hit lists of every family. It's very well documented and it tells us a lot about the situation and the evolution of these families. You guys should get in touch with each other and make a nice article for your website.
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Re: Made guys killed by other Families
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04/27/21 03:00 PM
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Solid list Malavita. I was gonna make a list, but you took the words right out of my mouth. Lo
You should write an article about it NYM. It'd be interesting to go into details of each killings.I'm sure you can dig up some interesting stuff. Something should aslo be done on Furio's hit lists of every family. It's very well documented and it tells us a lot about the situation and the evolution of these families. You guys should get in touch with each other and make a nice article for your website. One of these days I may sit down and try, but with literally thousands of gangland murders its too daunting a task. So thats why I specialize and pick one "war" or conflict at a time to write about
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