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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: DillyDolly]
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05/09/21 10:25 AM
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What if you're a wealthy mobster on trial and the prosecution team is trying to paint a picture of you to the jury as a super-rich hoodlum who earned millions of dollars from racketeering, seems to me like a good defense strategy would be to pretend you can't even afford a lawyer. How could you possibly be this millionaire racketeer with a public defender? And not everyone with plenty of money lives extravagant. So you got money but you go with a bullshit lawyer or a court appointed lawyer? LOL...and your life is on the line hanging in the balance? Ok DD, you run with that line of thinking if you need to. And I'm NOT advocating working a bullshit grunt job either. Only stating that if your gonna be a wiseguy. Then you'd better be 'wise' about it and make some solid scarola. Otherwise you risking your balls for what amounts to chump change.
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: DillyDolly]
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05/09/21 05:59 PM
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Lou_Para
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What if you're a wealthy mobster on trial and the prosecution team is trying to paint a picture of you to the jury as a super-rich hoodlum who earned millions of dollars from racketeering, seems to me like a good defense strategy would be to pretend you can't even afford a lawyer. How could you possibly be this millionaire racketeer with a public defender? And not everyone with plenty of money lives extravagant. Under our legal system.the Prosecutor does not have the luxury of "painting a picture" He must provide evidence of any unreported income,i.e. forensic accounting reports,IRS returns,hidden bank/brokerage account statements,etc,which can be linked to a defendant beyond a reasonable doubt. If the defendant can show legitimate income,then he's better off with a high priced lawyer who would have a decent shot at getting any prosecutorial speculation suppressed during Pre-Trial motions. Like any other evidence,anything the prosecution comes up with must be disclosed in advance to the defendant under discovery,so the burden of proof is always on the side of the State or Feds.If they cannot support their theory at trial with evidence ,the defendant walks
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: DillyDolly]
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05/09/21 06:58 PM
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Lou_Para
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I understand that, but still, if the defendant can't prove how he can afford such an expensive lawyer it adds even more weight to all the evidence presented. Imagine the prosecutor asking the defendant how he's able to afford his $3,000 per hour lawyer, or however much they cost.
On another note, there was a gangster in Canada who was arrested in a $700/month apartment who was found with $18 million worth of possessions in his apartment. Mobsters in Italy have been found living in what appeared to be rundown rat shacks but turned out to be decked-out palaces inside. Again, don't always judge a book by its cover. Not to beat a dead horse,but the defense doesn't have to prove anything. It is very rare for a defendant to actually take the stand as most lawyers strongly advise against it. If by some quirk he actually does,the prosecutor has no business asking how he can afford his attorney. Any 1/2 smart lawyer would object and any judge worth his salt would throw it out based on Attorney/Client privilege grounds. Remember,if the defendant doesn't take the stand,he can't be asked anything.
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: NYMafia]
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05/09/21 08:31 PM
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Fleming_Ave
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Any half-assed grunt of a blue collar worker could afford these types of homes. A guy who owned a 'shoe shine' parlor and shined shoes for a living could and would live better than that!
Is THIS how Cosa Nostra 'soldiers' 'capos' and 'bosses' are supposed to live? Of course not!!!
Some of those guys have serious criminal records at a young age. So they're not going to get hired at a lot of places. Or maybe they really don't want to work at a job, at least one where they can't be the boss.
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: Lou_Para]
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05/10/21 01:33 PM
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eastsideofvan
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No chance you could use that as a line of inquiry. First of all, it assumes that the client is paying the lawyer. Sometimes someone other than the client pays the lawyer. Other times, the lawyer works pro bono. Many top lawyers will do 10% of their caseload for free. That would be an absurd issue to bring up! I understand that, but still, if the defendant can't prove how he can afford such an expensive lawyer it adds even more weight to all the evidence presented. Imagine the prosecutor asking the defendant how he's able to afford his $3,000 per hour lawyer, or however much they cost.
On another note, there was a gangster in Canada who was arrested in a $700/month apartment who was found with $18 million worth of possessions in his apartment. Mobsters in Italy have been found living in what appeared to be rundown rat shacks but turned out to be decked-out palaces inside. Again, don't always judge a book by its cover. Not to beat a dead horse,but the defense doesn't have to prove anything. It is very rare for a defendant to actually take the stand as most lawyers strongly advise against it. If by some quirk he actually does,the prosecutor has no business asking how he can afford his attorney. Any 1/2 smart lawyer would object and any judge worth his salt would throw it out based on Attorney/Client privilege grounds. Remember,if the defendant doesn't take the stand,he can't be asked anything.
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: DillyDolly]
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05/10/21 03:39 PM
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NYMafia
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Ah, it is what it is, I just like to follow the drama of mob life. To be honest I never really gave much thought about who's really rich and who's broke. Even the brokest wiseguy has it better than what I'm doing right now, which is putting a harness on and going to work. I can appreciate that. Thats a huge allure to mob life. Not grinding a 9 to 5 daily. They live by the wits (or not)lol, and get lucky as best they can. Some thrive in that environment. others just survive, like everything else I guess
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: DillyDolly]
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05/10/21 10:20 PM
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Balaclava777
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Ah, it is what it is, I just like to follow the drama of mob life. To be honest I never really gave much thought about who's really rich and who's broke. Even the brokest wiseguy has it better than what I'm doing right now, which is putting a harness on and going to work. I’m assuming your life isn’t in danger and you’re not facing mandatory minimum sentencing while you work tho...that’s def a plus
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Re: GUYS WHO ARE "BROKESTERS" IN THE MOB
[Re: jace]
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05/11/21 01:06 PM
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It likely comes down to the ones who lived day to day and the ones who invested in businesses or made big money but lived small. They also wind up with more if they are not always paying lawyers in case after case. There are broke mafia members , there are few broke lawyers, if any at all. Correct. The ability to have first earned big money was pivotal. Next was to have been smart and able enough to have held onto that money through good intelligent investments, lack of criminal cases that ate away at your bankroll, and not blowing your funds like a drunken sailor on leave also helped. Also many knock around guys are DG gamblers, big coke users, big drinkers and nightclubbers, have 2-3 'gumare's' etc. All of those things quickly deplete a bankroll (taking for granted that the guy in question even HAD a big bankroll to begin with - which many did not).
Last edited by NYMafia; 05/11/21 01:08 PM.
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