Do you work 24-7 w no holidays or 0 time off cause that’s prison life. Are you working while your sleeping like Ralph Gigante? Because in prison ,real prison you sleep like shit from all the anxiety of being murdered in your sleep. Just like work.....

https://youtu.be/8-QN0uPOsZQ Here’s an interview w Bobby who became a biker,but got his start being peddled to grown men when he was a kid by DB and Roy Demeo......

Made man is prison: Playing ping pong and board games with the boys.

You in prison: Dressed up in a skirt with lip stick on while you are sucking dicks everyday.

Okay Neo, my point is that for the most part lots of these rats lost more than they gained. All their respect, their pride, their dignity, down the drain. It's one thing for some lowly scrub associate to turn, he never had much to lose. But Casso? Guy ended up dying in prison anyway and will be forever remembered by most as "that rat"

No serious person believes Roy Demeo or anyone e else like DiBernardo pimped boys or girls, but assholes like to push it one people. John Alite video with an interview is no proof, he'll get others to back him up on demoting Joe Gallo and anything else he wants. Youtube has become the biggest source or whatever anyone wants to find.

We're discussing rats, and the same posters turn to kid porn as an argument, as usual.

These are the teacher's pet at school and the boss's ass kissers at work. The neighborhood crime watchers, so of course they love rats.

I was never a teacher's pet, but I am a neighborhood crime watcher, so to speak. That so-called associate of Demeo that is in the video Louie put's up every few weeks is a man who claims, among other things, that he told Roy Demeo to go fuck himslf. Sure, tell us another one, it's what I expect from Alite and Borrello.

Paul Castellano was indiicted for child pornography in 1980? I must have missed that one and he told Roy to fuck off because he's so hard he shits cut nails, gethefukouttaheah, guy's a good story teller but he's so full of shit his back teeth are brown. Roy had a piece of a sex emporium in Bricktown, NJ from shylocking and showed Nino what was being sold there. That's when Nino told him to stop or get killed but Roy ignored him and eventually Nino lost his morality, except when Roy wanted Montiglio to deliver pornvto Bricktown which Nino was against because it would break Montiglio's grandmother's heart if was arrested for porn.

Who were the few found sleeping in their cars?

Lester Zullo was one and I forgot the other one.

Paul Castellano was an unindicted coconspirator in the case against Theo Rothstein and DB

Title of this should be NOT Becoming a Rat, is it all that Bad?

My 2cents;

Things like this are formed at the top. So would any of us here rat? I think for MOST of us, it would depend. Lets say you were brought into this thing young. Your whole identity is formed around it. The people around you are stand up guys. They always have your back and do the right thing. You go away your family is taken care of. You get out, you're taken care of. Nobody rats on you, nobody rats on each other.

If you were brought into a strong, tight brotherhood like that you probably wouldnt rat [ unless you're just a weak, selfish coward ].

Now if you were brought into something thats dog-eat-dog? Guys stabbing each other in the back, bosses flipping, you go away your family starves, you come out and nobody has time for you....most people will be much more likely to flip under those circumstances.

So I would say guys ratting is not just about the guys who rat, its about the breakdown of the whole organization.

Well freedom is always better than prison, but 99% of rats would keep living the life of crime if they didn't get caught. So once they are caught all of a sudden they regret their life of crime. Its same with dirty cops , if you are a cop , be a cop , if you are a criminal ,be a criminal.

Neo, that just goes to show what a spineless, selfish coward you are, that you would sell out others to buy your freedom. You're a piece of shit of the highest order, totally devoid of all manliness and honor.

You are either living in your own fantasy world or you are just straight up lying if you are trying to suggest you would take life imprisonment without the possibility of parole over becoming an informant and getting your freedom back in a few years time.

All this shit talk and you'd probably roll on your mother to get out of a $500 traffic fine.

Neo, now you're protecting. Just because you would doesn't mean anyone else would. You have zero idea of what anyone would do, but we all know what you would do. 😉

I mean, just look at the title of this thread, glorifying tattle-telling. You're just not a solid guy, you're watered-down.

"tattle-telling" smfh

Your use of words make you sound very young and your choice of username makes you sound like a fucking cross dresser, so I'm guessing your not a hardcore gangster in real life?

You don't have to be a "hard-core gangster," just be solid and stand up for what you believe in. Unfortunately, you believe in being a rat 🐀

That's a good post. I will add that to me, one exception is the guys who are in a strong tight group, but rat anyway snd use the excuse that the group was not close or loyal. Every gang from bikers to Bloods, Mexican cartels, the Mafia, all have a rat or 2 regardless of how strong the group is. I get a feeling that the gangs in other countries are the strongest these days (I am in the United States)

Cross dressing lady boys like you get ass raped in prison. It's a bit hard for you to claim your a stand up guy when you will be on your knees sucking your celly's dick.

Why is Casso and Amuso plotting to kill D'Arco justification for him ratting like he wasn't going to do it anyway? The guy was siphoning off money that was supposed to be going to the top, just like that other rat Accetturo. He also brought his junkie son into the life and had him doing half-assed hits. It was only a matter of time before the son got jammed up, and D'Arco would rat to protect him.

Amuso's problem, like Stanfa in Philly, is that he surrounded himself with unqualified and spineless people.

He named Joe De Fede acting boss shortly after going to prison and De Fede did the exact same thing as D'Arco, using his promotion to line his own pockets.

That's because in the USA the penalties are still comparatively harsh and a lot of prisons (when it comes to general population) are still quite rough.

Compared to the USA, the judicial system in for instance Canada and Western Europe is a joke. You get seven years and you're out in two.

Furthermore prison life over here isn't all that dangerous. We don't have gangs like they do in the USA. Over here where I live most are locked up due to some sort of connection with organized crime. Most of it is ethnicity-based: Sicilians, Calabrians, Turks, Kurds, Albanians, Moroccans, Dutch travellers, Armenians, Georgians, Chechens, Russians, Assyrians, Israelis, Serbs, Greeks, members of outlaw motorcycle groups or just Belgian white collar criminals... but there's nothing like the "racial tension" that exists in US prisons. Most of those guys here are locked up for serious stuff; in the US you see gang members getting locked up for years and years just because they were caught selling a few nickel bags, over here they get locked up because they were connected to tons.
These are definitely serious guys who did kill people outside prison, but in prison they're not going to shank you. If you keep your head down and respectfully interact with others, you're going to be fine.

Anybody would still take freedom over prison and there are still rats over here as well, but there do seem to be way less than in the USA. I mean, why would you rat over here? If you're someone with serious connections you'll be back in business in a year or two when you get out and your life is rarely in danger in prison.

Don't underestimate American LE (DEA, FBI) , they have influence all over the world.

Funny how American law enforcement is the toughest but it's done nothing to reduce our crime rate. We're still considered one of the most violent countries. Tough laws have seriously hurt organized crime but haven't done shit to disorganized crime. But the government don't really care about disorganized crime because they're not making money, organized crime makes a ton of money and they get ahead in the system, our sleazebag government don't want lower class people getting ahead or being their competitors. It's not a problem until you're making serious money then you're on their radar. Why anyone here like Neo would take the sides of such slimeballs is beyond my understanding.

Just because we think you are a little dork who acts tough doesn’t mean we believe in being a rat.

We just think it is ridiculous to act like you would never rat when you have no idea what you would do. It’s easy to say you would never rat while your sitting in your moms basement on the internet. I hope it never happens to you but if you were in jail facing 100 years I guarantee the decision wouldn’t be as easy as you make it out of be.

The reality is 99% of mobsters are scumbag crooks who fuck people over for a living. I am not sure why it is such a surprise that a lot of them are willing to fuck over their friends instead of doing hard time.

And the ones that do stand tall are the ones that know their families will be okay if they thought their wife and kids were going to starve they would all rat too.

I agree there is always a percentage of people that will sell anybody out to save their own skin. Even if they know they will be taken care of, they'll still rat. I would add to my original post that taking care of guys' families while they're away and taking care of them when they get out is HUGE but also, on the other side, you should be able to reach a rat and whack him.

There are two sides there, the stick and the carrot. The carrot meaning they know they will be taken care of if they stand up, the stick meaning they will be 'taken care of' if they flip. So you'd need an organization that is strong, far reaching, and honorable.

I also agree with Killingjoke, the state of the sentencing and prison system has alot to do with it. Doing time in many American prisons is a form of torture. If I were facing 50 years in the USA? The choice would be either rat or hang myself. There is no WAY I would ever do that kind of time here.

. Great Post!!!

It's not about taking sides, it's about living in the real world which is a far cry from your fantasy world where you are a stand up guy that would never rat even when facing a life sentence.

I had an acquaintance that was facing life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. Like you he wasn't a street guy. He would have ratted his way out of his life sentence if he could but LE didn't need him, so he found another way out, he committed suicide.

Anyone on this forum would do whatever they could to get out of a life sentence. I don't buy that shit that -"nobody knows what they will do until they are in that situation". It's a fucking life sentence. Nobody here can convince me they can hold up against a life sentence.

Well there have been guys who stood up to life sentences and didnt rat. Guys have gone to the chair without ratting so the idea that EVERYBODY is a rat at heart just isnt so.