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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: MemphisMafia]
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08/15/21 08:10 AM
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I don't know how Franzese pulled that deal off.All the prosecutors that were after him were pissed that he really beat the G and beat them bad.He must have been one slick dude.As posted above he never put a single mafia member in jail.Nobody cared about Norby Walters.And the feds were certain he was lying about several things including had he killed before.He probally had his best friend Larry Carozza killed among others.He pulled off his greatest hustle with that deal THAT is not true that he never put a member in jail. Colombo Soldier Frank Campione, and future Lucchese soldier John Vanasco (he was a Colombo affiliate at the time) were forced to cop out to federal charges of "Obstruction of justice" and "witness tampering" charges because Franzese had given testimony that both of them had 'reached' a juror through Orange Tutt, a janitor at the time for a AMC Car Dealership that Vanasco operated on LI. Based on Franzese's deposition that they had subverted a juror (Tutt's wife who happened to be serving on the grand jury investigating Franzese). They paid her $1000 to reveal secret grand jury minutes so he could stay one step ahead of the feds. Rather than face him in a courtroom during a trial, both copped out to the charges and received 2.5 years in prison. Franzese also gave "TONS" of testimony, TONS, to the feds during his debriefings about hundreds of members. He identified 'proposed' members for the various crews (which in truth is essentially naming made guys). He gave up the ID's of guys who were goodfellas that the FBI had not been aware were. He identified specific crimes likes labor embezzlement, fraud, extortion, gas tax racketeering, shylocking, etc., that made guys were involved in so the FBI knew where to go to nab them (his info was like a roadmap for them). He named the legit guys who they worked with so the FBI could grab those guys and turn them into rats against goodfellas. Chin Gigante had gotten those "secret" FBI minutes and called in all the bosses, releasing snippets to each particular family as it concerned them and their members so they could get ready as best they could to defend themselves for the bleak future they faced off Franzese flipping and releasing vital info. Individual soldiers AND associates were brought in by their capos and told about Franzese's rat testimony against them that Chin had warned them about. IN TRUTH HE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST RATS THAT NY EVER HAD. HE JUST HAD MADE A DEAL TO NOT GET ON THE STAND OUT OF FEAR. BUT HE DREW THEM A ROADMAP BEHIND THE SCENES.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: Millspgh]
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08/15/21 12:20 PM
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Wow NYM, when you spell it out like that it is brutal. Everyone on here knows what Franzese testified to and against in court, but I think we tend to forget about the treasure chest of information he gave the feds outside the courtroom like you said. And just how much that info affected the families. His actions outside still helped the feds put dozens in jail and creat more rats. Well written and thank you for that reminder. My pleasure. I call em like I see em, period! And besides his public testimony against friends and family, and against Russians and other crews before publicly held U.S. Senate hearings, was his extensive "dry snitching' behind closed doors that he provided the feds [FOR YEARS] after his alleged 'deal with prosecutors' He was a straight up informant. And a very proficient one at that. In the year 2021 he would like to have all his fans out there in Videoland think that he wasn't (and isn't). In other words, you know Pepsi Lite? He'd like us to think he was 'Rat Lite' Lol. But the honest truth is a lot different. And he's not the only rat out there to do so. 99.9% of informants try and paint a different picture of themselves to look better in the public eyes.
Last edited by NYMafia; 08/15/21 12:21 PM.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: Blackmobs]
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08/16/21 03:59 PM
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: NYMafia]
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08/17/21 12:32 AM
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So don't believe his bullshit about never giving up a 'made man,' made man or not, if you even gave up a janitor, a black gangbanger, or legit businessman, YOU ARE A RAT!
PERIOD!
But he gave up lots more than that! Nobody is saying he isn't a rat. But he played the Feds.Tons of Testimony? Testimony is on the stand. He talked to the Feds but they can't bring in his 302s and use them as testimony. At the end the G got a 12 hour interview, names of made members they already had gotten from Scarpa, Guzzardo, etc. And Norby Walters whose conviction was overturned. He is a Rat who conned the G and the Mob.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: ColonelReb]
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08/17/21 08:10 AM
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So don't believe his bullshit about never giving up a 'made man,' made man or not, if you even gave up a janitor, a black gangbanger, or legit businessman, YOU ARE A RAT!
PERIOD!
But he gave up lots more than that! Nobody is saying he isn't a rat. But he played the Feds.Tons of Testimony? Testimony is on the stand. He talked to the Feds but they can't bring in his 302s and use them as testimony. At the end the G got a 12 hour interview, names of made members they already had gotten from Scarpa, Guzzardo, etc. And Norby Walters whose conviction was overturned. He is a Rat who conned the G and the Mob. --- With all due respect Colonel, how would you know what Franzese, did or didn't, provide the feds (AND the state AND the locals) with in the way of informant information? As I had clearly stated in several of my previous posts about this subject, he provided TONS of information about literally hundreds of guys across New York City, Long Island, South Florida, and elsewhere. And whether you wanna call it "testimony" (and by the way you don't have to explain to me what public court testimony means), secret 302s during his debriefing with the FBI, other debriefings with prosecutors, local District Attorneys, Rackets Bureau detectives, etc., it is called "providing informant information." The only point I agree with you on is that he is a conman. In fact, I'll go one better than you and say that he is a master conman. 101%..... because not only did he con the mob into thinking that he'd be a loyal soldier, and the government into thinking that they had themselves a longterm precious rat, but he also conned both his personal blood family (his first wife and children, father, mother, sisters, brothers, etc), and his personal friends both, inside and outside, the mob as well. There are well documented stories that go around NY about how he abused guys and conned old "legitimate" boyhood friends not connected to the mob out of money just before he joined Team USA because he knew he was leaving town and wouldn't ever have to pay them back or face them again. But understand too that the only reason why Franzese was able to 'con' his family and friends (just as you or I would be able to con ours) is because as family and friends they naturally trusted him as blood family and friends should. So was he really such a 'master' conman where it comes to them? Or was he just a moral-less, remorseless, heartless, and selfish weasel who only looked out for himself? I tend to choose the latter as a better description of him. Remember he was a guy who just out and out 'dumped' his wife and kids and ran away with some strange Mexican girl he had just met down in Miami, and left them to fend for themselves while he lived in the lap of luxury in years to come. He was a guy (the guy), who allowed his own mother and young siblings to live in near poverty (they lost their family home to the bank) while he admittedly threw his millions up in the air like a spoiled brat and made sure to lavish upon himself and his "new" family all the trappings of wealth. He was the guy who never made time (or looked out for) his younger brother John as he slipped into addition. And he never looked to help him afterwards. He just cast him away as an inconvenience. THAT is the true Michael Franzese. But of course legitimate folks out there in video-land don't understand any of these things. Because he speaks well, they fall under his shroud of a kind and mellow persona. A fellow who can easily explain it all away, and when he can't, he simply then avoids the subject and vets any tough questions that could possibly come his way before any interview so he's not embarrassed by a surprise question that makes him look bad in the eyes of all his new fans and all the 'suckers' who pony up money to listen to his bullshit. Nah, he's a jerk off. And I'm sorry to say that the people who listen to him are bigger jerkoffs. A man of God? LOL.... nothing could be further from the truth. It's just his new look. His new schtick.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: jace]
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08/17/21 09:40 AM
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This "sit down" reeks of scripted bs Exactly, it's a show put on by them to make money. Like the WWE, it's so phony, but has people hanging on their every word. The comments under it on Youtube are surprising. People believe it. Goes to show how gullible the average person really is in the scheme of things. Not just him, but the vast majority of informants try and 'reinvent' themselves and try and verbally change history to make themselves look better. Whether they relocate to Florida, California, or elsewhere, they 'clean up' their persona and image for a gullible public. But at their core, they still are who they are.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: ColonelReb]
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08/17/21 10:37 AM
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So don't believe his bullshit about never giving up a 'made man,' made man or not, if you even gave up a janitor, a black gangbanger, or legit businessman, YOU ARE A RAT!
PERIOD!
But he gave up lots more than that! Nobody is saying he isn't a rat. But he played the Feds.Tons of Testimony? Testimony is on the stand. He talked to the Feds but they can't bring in his 302s and use them as testimony. At the end the G got a 12 hour interview, names of made members they already had gotten from Scarpa, Guzzardo, etc. And Norby Walters whose conviction was overturned. He is a Rat who conned the G and the Mob. If he played the government and they got nothing, why did he only do 4 years for stealing all that money from the government ?? He did not con the govt..The government seemed more then happy with their end of the deal or he would have never gotten the sweetheart deal that he did...Criminals try and give the feds old info all the time, but the govt. not stupid...If he gave them info that they already knew, how did he con them ?? Makes no sense There's only one way to get a sweetheart deal like that after ripping off the government no less of tens of millions a week like he claims, that's giving up everything he knows..If the feds felt like they were conned they would have jammed him up with 100 years... Does Franzese look like a tough guy who could do 100 years ?? Do you think he was gonna roll the dice and try and con them in to giving him 4 years instead ?? Come on
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