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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: LuanKuci]
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10/01/21 07:13 AM
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That is my fault, I forgot about that. It is just Junior Gotti mess up cost alot of guys in the other families headaches when the feds raided him. That is the most embarrassing thing to happen for LCN, a few years worth of made members and some were under LE radar before those lists were discovered. Those should of been destroyed. There are instances where guys get pinched with a phone book, or rolodex with some of the actual names while most are nicknames, but list of actual made men, that is embarrassing. Honestly if Esposito was not a good earner, or son of the Gigante, he would have been killed years ago, especially with the George Barone incident.
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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10/01/21 09:37 AM
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That is my fault, I forgot about that. It is just Junior Gotti mess up cost alot of guys in the other families headaches when the feds raided him. That is the most embarrassing thing to happen for LCN, a few years worth of made members and some were under LE radar before those lists were discovered. Those should of been destroyed. There are instances where guys get pinched with a phone book, or rolodex with some of the actual names while most are nicknames, but list of actual made men, that is embarrassing. Honestly if Esposito was not a good earner, or son of the Gigante, he would have been killed years ago, especially with the George Barone incident. What was the Barone incident?
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: LuanKuci]
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10/01/21 10:40 AM
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That is my fault, I forgot about that. It is just Junior Gotti mess up cost alot of guys in the other families headaches when the feds raided him. That is the most embarrassing thing to happen for LCN, a few years worth of made members and some were under LE radar before those lists were discovered. Those should of been destroyed. There are instances where guys get pinched with a phone book, or rolodex with some of the actual names while most are nicknames, but list of actual made men, that is embarrassing. Honestly if Esposito was not a good earner, or son of the Gigante, he would have been killed years ago, especially with the George Barone incident. What was the Barone incident? Barone was born in the 1920s and controlled unions for the family when in the 1990s had the order to find a well payed job for Andrew Gigante,the mob son,in a company that Barone owned but he said no because disliked Gigante but because was a family veteran hecthinked he can say what he wanted and was angry for the lack of respect. As an answer Barone was shelved and the boss ordered to kill him,Barone was informe by an old friend to don't go to NY because the voi e on the streets is that he's a dead man. So Barone flipped for save his life.
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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10/01/21 10:53 AM
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That is my fault, I forgot about that. It is just Junior Gotti mess up cost alot of guys in the other families headaches when the feds raided him. That is the most embarrassing thing to happen for LCN, a few years worth of made members and some were under LE radar before those lists were discovered. Those should of been destroyed. There are instances where guys get pinched with a phone book, or rolodex with some of the actual names while most are nicknames, but list of actual made men, that is embarrassing. Honestly if Esposito was not a good earner, or son of the Gigante, he would have been killed years ago, especially with the George Barone incident. What was the Barone incident? Barone was born in the 1920s and controlled unions for the family when in the 1990s had the order to find a well payed job for Andrew Gigante,the mob son,in a company that Barone owned but he said no because disliked Gigante but because was a family veteran hecthinked he can say what he wanted and was angry for the lack of respect. As an answer Barone was shelved and the boss ordered to kill him,Barone was informe by an old friend to don't go to NY because the voi e on the streets is that he's a dead man. So Barone flipped for save his life. They all swear they ratted to save their life, or that they were wronged.
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: jace]
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10/01/21 10:56 AM
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That is my fault, I forgot about that. It is just Junior Gotti mess up cost alot of guys in the other families headaches when the feds raided him. That is the most embarrassing thing to happen for LCN, a few years worth of made members and some were under LE radar before those lists were discovered. Those should of been destroyed. There are instances where guys get pinched with a phone book, or rolodex with some of the actual names while most are nicknames, but list of actual made men, that is embarrassing. Honestly if Esposito was not a good earner, or son of the Gigante, he would have been killed years ago, especially with the George Barone incident. What was the Barone incident? Barone was born in the 1920s and controlled unions for the family when in the 1990s had the order to find a well payed job for Andrew Gigante,the mob son,in a company that Barone owned but he said no because disliked Gigante but because was a family veteran hecthinked he can say what he wanted and was angry for the lack of respect. As an answer Barone was shelved and the boss ordered to kill him,Barone was informe by an old friend to don't go to NY because the voi e on the streets is that he's a dead man. So Barone flipped for save his life. They all swear they ratted to save their life, or that they were wronged. No,he really risked to ve whacked.
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
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10/01/21 11:24 AM
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Furio, how can you know?? https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs/genovese-soldier-george-barone “I went bad,” Barone said about his new role as government witness. “I wanted to get even. I wanted to survive. I didn't want to get killed by them,” he added, referring to Vincent Gigante and his Genovese Family. “I decided that the Mafia is not the paternal, wonderful organization that it proposes to be. The esprit de corps does not exist. Greed, violence, betrayal: that is what exists.”
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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10/01/21 12:16 PM
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Furio, how can you know?? https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs/genovese-soldier-george-barone “I went bad,” Barone said about his new role as government witness. “I wanted to get even. I wanted to survive. I didn't want to get killed by them,” he added, referring to Vincent Gigante and his Genovese Family. “I decided that the Mafia is not the paternal, wonderful organization that it proposes to be. The esprit de corps does not exist. Greed, violence, betrayal: that is what exists.” They ALL say that when they rat!!! No one believes it, he was in the life till he was 85 years old, then decided that it was not as he thought?
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: jace]
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10/01/21 03:11 PM
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Furio, how can you know?? https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs/genovese-soldier-george-barone “I went bad,” Barone said about his new role as government witness. “I wanted to get even. I wanted to survive. I didn't want to get killed by them,” he added, referring to Vincent Gigante and his Genovese Family. “I decided that the Mafia is not the paternal, wonderful organization that it proposes to be. The esprit de corps does not exist. Greed, violence, betrayal: that is what exists.” They ALL say that when they rat!!! No one believes it, he was in the life till he was 85 years old, then decided that it was not as he thought? If the other mobsters understand that they are snitching,of course they will kill them.
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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10/01/21 08:16 PM
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Furio, how can you know?? https://gangstersinc.org/profiles/blogs/genovese-soldier-george-barone “I went bad,” Barone said about his new role as government witness. “I wanted to get even. I wanted to survive. I didn't want to get killed by them,” he added, referring to Vincent Gigante and his Genovese Family. “I decided that the Mafia is not the paternal, wonderful organization that it proposes to be. The esprit de corps does not exist. Greed, violence, betrayal: that is what exists.” They ALL say that when they rat!!! No one believes it, he was in the life till he was 85 years old, then decided that it was not as he thought? If the other mobsters understand that they are snitching,of course they will kill them.So he was snitching before they were going to kill him?
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: DillyDolly]
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10/03/21 12:40 PM
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Bruno didn't tell the FBI (when you talk to one agent, it's the same as talking to the whole agency, so let's keep it real, he talked to the FBI) that Fusco WON'T be made, he said that he SHOULDN'T have been made, according to the accusation. I don't have proof of shit I'm just saying that if that's true then yes it makes him a rat of some sort. You don't hang out with agents and talk about Mafia inductions and expect your fellow wiseguys to be okay with it. What the hell was he smoking? Isn't the first time that Fbi agents provoked mobsters,Bruno should say "I don't know what you're talking about" or something similar but again he was in bad blood with NY bosses due gambling money if was in better shape he would be still alive.
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Re: When the “Ivy League” failed to deliver
[Re: LuanKuci]
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10/03/21 04:01 PM
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I don't know if the beef was over gambling, but Nigro had a beef in the mid 1990s with Al. Bruno was in a restaurant for almost an hour talking to one FBI agent, one of the Maloni's and Scibelli's were there, and Jimmy Collaro, who had a meeting with Joe Gatto in New York in a couple of days. The next day after there was talk about it in Massachusetts, Connecticut, and Boston. Bruno knew alot and had done business with a lot of guys in New England, New York, and New Jersey, so there was a lot of fear Bruno was going to flip.
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