How far did the Manna's plot to have Judge Trump Barry, Sam Alito and US Attorney Chertoff murdered go? Was any planning done? Or was this just talk? This is some pretty serious stuff. Dutch Schultz was killed for same reason only he plotted to kill one person not three in law enforcement.

Interesting no one has any input

Personally, I think it's BS but I'd have to go back into my files on Manna. However, I seem to recall that it seemed similar looking forward to what happened with both Basciano and Asaro where the prosecution claimed each of them had plotted to kill prosecutors or judges or both. And I do believe but am not 100% sure that the same prosecutors were on each of those cases. Not necessarily the main prosecutors though one was the main in Asaro's case and a backup in Basciano's case. So, perhaps it's something out of their playbook. I bet if you looked into other cases you'd see similar accusations.

MafiaStudent, Thanks for the info, so you don't think Manna wanted them hit? Interesting because I believe that's why he's never getting out. The Government thinks if he was able to put a hit on these three then he's still a dangerous man. Except the truth in my opinion is they're getting revenge for the plot.

I definitely think they kept him in because he's "dangerous" according to them, but I don't believe he actually plotted anything because of the Asaro, Basciano similarities. It's just too coincidental for me. And like I said, those are the only ones I've come across with the same prosecutors on the case (Asaro and Basciano) which makes all of it suspect. Helps to bolster their case for sure and in the case of Basciano helped push the entire death sentence push which the judge didn't even want and wrote a letter to the AG saying he didn't think it was necessary and AG disagreed. In Basciano's case, I think it had to do with the fact that they were trying their darndest to get him to flip and he refused so what better way to really push the issue than threaten him with the death penalty. And it still didn't work...

With Asaro, their case against him was flimsy from the beginning. They brought it 30 years after the fact or something like that? So, they knew there was a cold chance in hell they'd win. After he was acquitted the govt made their typical excuses when they lose a case and in Asaro's case, their excuse was that they lost because they felt the jury felt sorry for him because of his age. Totally ridiculous. That's why I think when they had the opportunity to bust him on that car fire thing, they hit him hard - as some sort of punishment for embarrassing them on the Lufthansa thing.

The government did the same kind of excuse-making during the Gambino bros (John & Joe) trial in the 90s. I think there were two mistrials and the govt kept saying something was fishy even though they had all these Italian pentitos take the stand like Mannoia and Mutolo. Then they went to Gravano and asked if he could remember anything and that's when the Oliveri murder came out I think and the Gambino bros took off. But even to this day - in Comey's book - he claims that the two mistrials were suspect though he didn't elaborate. And with that, he was talking specifically about a juror in one of the trials who went to the judge and said that another juror was suspect because he wasn't agreeing with the rest of the jurors and she thought there was something wrong but the judge kicked her off because it was ridiculous.

When John Gambino finally pled guilty, the govt made him admit to paying off a juror in someone else's case - I can't remember whose - but I don't believe that either. I think that in their agreement they probably wanted to give the impression that that's probably what happened in the two mistrials though the bribery "admission' wasn't related to their specfic case. But I do believe it was a bogus addition. The other thing that probably burned them up was that Tommaso Buscetta actually came in and testified on behalf of the Gambino brothers - another embarrassment....

That's a really long answer to your question...lol.

One other thing about Manna - if you read Remo Franceschini's book he says that he didn't believe and had evidence that Manna didn't kill or plot to kill Irwin Schiff that it was someone else but Franceschini was from another department and the department that was handling the case didn't want to be bothered so they went with what they had. There's a lot of competition between different departments - Brooklyn vs. Manhattan, local vs. federal, etc. - so it's a logical point and even happens today in various cases.

BTW, Manna isn't "dangerous" to anyone - he's 91 years old. What is he going to do? The government just doesn't want to concede. He was never accused of doing any killing himself, just conspiracy, much like what happens to a lot of these guys. Yet, they let a guy like Connolly, who, if you go by their own 'conspiracy" angle, was probably more dangerous than all of these other guys combined with everything he did with Bulger. Didn't pull the trigger but conspired according to their own definition in that he probably knew about it, looked the other way, etc....and yet he was allowed to live "the rest of his days in the sunshine." DeVecchio is another one probably more dangerous than all of those guys combined but he, too, is free as a bird suffering no consequences for any of his actions.

So what really defines "dangerous" or is it just pick and choose according to the whims of the government?

That's interesting; but who was it, according to the book?

A guy by the name of Angello Castelli that I have yet to find any information on but Castelli ended up getting killed himself.

So why was Angelo Castelli killed? And isn't Manna serving time for the Schiff murder?

From what I recall from the book, Castelli got into an argument with some guy outside a restaurant and was killed. Franceschini didn't think it was related.

And yes, Manna is serving time for Schiff. If you actually dig into that whole Schiff thing, it's very interesting how it played out for everyone involved- how they used Schiff's girlfriend to "identify" the killers and the methods they used to get her to change her story from the original one she gave, the alleged tape recordings that were not clear that the govt claimed was more proof that Manna was involved. It raises a lot of questions.

Along the years I read on a website (no clue on validity)

When Trump’s sister slammed him with 55 years, he erupted and made the threat.

If true, maybe why a compassionate release has not happened....Trump’s sister is still alive.
The time he has done for being convicted on only 1 murder is a lot compared to others.

Well, I wanted to say in the 100+ articles and documents I've read, I've never read that, but I wanted to double-check so I did a quick search -- It's BS. He did no such thing - from his sentencing (80 years according to this report)

I dont believe for a minute that Manna wanted to kill a prosecuter. That is total bullshit.

The Genovese family doesn't do that crap !!