In early 1957...Carmine Persico is a mere soldier. Ahead of him on the depth chart are quite a few people, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco, Joe Colombo, Sonny Franzese, and many others. Within 15 years he would become head of the Colombo crime family, a position he would hold until his death almost 50 years later.

October 25, 1957 - Albert Anastasia is murdered by Carmine Persico, Joe Gallo and others.
February 27, 1961 - The Gallos and Persico kidnap Profaci's people including Joseph Magliocco, Frank Profaci (Joe Profaci's brother), caporegime Salvatore Musacchia and soldier John Scimone.
August 20, 1961 - Scimone, now a Profaci loyalist, lures Larry Gallo into meeting him at a lounge, where several men, including Persico, try to kill him. This is the start of the First Colombo War.
November 1961 - Joe Gallo convicted of conspiracy and extortion for attempting to extort money from a businessman. On December 21 of that year, he was sentenced to seven-to-fourteen years in prison
June 6, 1962 - Profaci dies. Magliocco succeeds him.
May 19, 1963 - Carmine Persico is shot in the face in Gowanus by Gallo soldiers.
1963 - The Commission forces Magliocco to step down as boss over his involvement with Joe Bonnano's attempt to have Carlo Gambino murdered. Colombo becomes boss.
March 3, 1967 - Sonny Franzese is convicted of Bank Robbery.
May 1968 - Larry Gallo dies of cancer
April 1970 - Joe Colombo creates the Italian American civil rights league.
Early 1971 - Joe Gallo released from prison.
June 28, 1971 - Joe Colombo is shot, leaving him in a vegetative state.
April 7, 1972 - Joe Gallo is murdered in Umberto's.


If you look at the above timeline, the Persico informant allegation makes sense.

• Carmine gives up information on Joe Gallo because he can't kill him, leading him to get 7-14 years. (Persico profits)
• Sonny Franzese gets convicted of Bank Robbery five years later, again this is someone Carmine couldn't just whack and get away with. (Persico profits)
• Joe Colombo gets murdered by someone who everyone knew would immediately look like Gallo did it, and even the FBI notes on this are slim, which means their informants werent talking a lot about the incident, despite thousands of people witnessing it (Persico profits)

I believe that Persico gave up information to help his own ascent. I also believe it was him who orchestrated Franzese's downfall. I believe it was him who actually orchestrated Joe Colombo's death as well. The reason I believe these things is because Carmine Persico was the one who profited the most from every one of these situations.


Additionally, Carmine Persico is front and center of every single "Colombo War".

Additionally if Persico had any relation with Carlo Gambino, it could be possible that it was him who told Gambino about Bonanno's plan, considering Colombo would have likely assigned the hit to Persico at the time. Additionally, Gambino would have then asked Persico to have Colombo removed, and made sure it looked like Gallo did it. Once this occurred Persico is approved by the commission including Gambino

Total B.S., put up just to say Persico was an informant. Gallo did not kill Anastasia, I doubt Persico was there either. Persico was not" front and center" of the last war, the FBI and Greg Scarpa-a real rat---were.

The Gallo brothers and Persico WERE NOT responsible for the Anastasia hit. In fact, no Colombos were involved. It's now a known fact that he was taken out by a Gambino hit team. This serious blunder in and of itself makes your theory completely devoid of all credibility. Persico NEVER EVER received any leniency for his supposed cooperation, absolutely none. He spent almost his entire life behind bars. Scarpa meanwhile was allowed to get away with 3 decades of criminal activities. I find it exhausting and disgusting that we're having to refute these allegations when we could be talking about mob events that actually happened. One thing I've noticed about the government, if they can't get you to rat they'll pull out all the stops to make you look like one, even if it's long after you're dead.

If Persico was the one who told Gambino and Lucchese about Bonanno's plot, then how come Persico wasn't selected as boss in 1963 instead of Colombo? And according to you, he would've then asked Persico to take out Colombo, which didn't even happen until almost a decade later? Just stop now, you're embarrassing yourself. Walk away with what little dignity you have left.

It was Joe Biondo old crew that were tasked with Albert Anastasia hit. It was the Gambinos through and through on the Anastasia hit.
From the time of the Gallos kidnapping Joe Magliocco, Frank Profaci, Salvatore Musacchia, and John Scimone to the attempt on Larry Gallos life, Carmine Persico was seen at Frank Costellos appartment a few times and Frank told him to remain loyal to his boss, before Costello went back temporarily to prison.
Joey Gallo was not that bright, he messed up and the law didn't need any help from informants, if they did, Gallo would have had to serve a longer sentence.
Carmine Persico was not in Joe Colombo crew, so Joe would not have relayed an order to someone that was not in his crew. A capo gets an order from his boss, he in return tells a soldier or how many needs to be in his crew for the assignment. Persico did not like Carlo Gambino. Also Persico was locked up during the time Joe Magliocco and Joe Colombo had that meeting.
Sonny Franzese went to prison for a crime he did not do, but it was not Persico that set him up. It was another informant that more than likely owed Sonny a large amount of money he could not repay. Not saying Sonny Franzese was a saint, but he was innocent of that charge. Joe Colombo had the most to gain with Franzese going to prison, cause that removed a threat to his leadership.
Persico was not involved with the Joe Colombo shooting, everything points to Anthony Abbatemarco setting it up.
Carmine Persico did have a hand in Joey Gallo death as the order for all Colombo members was to hit Joey Gallo.
Persico benefited greatly from these events, but was no informant. What solidified his standing with Joe Colombo was the hit on Charles "The Sidge" LoCicero, with Greg Scarpa. John Franzese went to prison in 1967, and LoCicero was killed in 1968, so all threats to Joe Colombos reign were neutralized, except for Joey Gallo who was locked up. Franzese and LoCicero were powerful members who could have challenged Colombo at the time, but they were still loyal to the boss regardless of the geippings and rulings in sitdowns which Joe would have made a different call. Colombo was indeed paranoid like most bosses get when they reach the top spot during turmoil years.

No one in that family was challenging Colombo because of the backing he had from Carlo Gambino, not to mention no one but Gambino killed Colombo becuase they would have been on the hook for the 1.2 million Colombo owed Gambino which was a TON of money in the early 70s...

Now did Carmine Persico plot w Gambino to remove Colombo and possibly Franzese, that’s very possible....

Read Greg Scarpa's files.

Want me to send them to you? And I'm not Talking that redacted shit I'm the FBI vailt

Salvatore D'Ambrosio, and no Persico and Gambino weren't plotting together to get rid of Joe Colombo. Salvatore D'Ambrosio and a few others were plotting to take out Joe Colombo and put someone else in charge.

What does his files have to do with the fact that Gambino clipped Colombo cause of the publicity of the IAL and the fact that Jerome Johnson was “with” wiseguys connected to the Gambinos and Persicos

Joseph Colombo Shooting | Italian American Civil Rights League | (1970)

dont know much about persico but if he was an informant he did a piss poor job of using it to his advantage.
spent the last 40 yrs of his life in the can and died there.

May I see your source of where you found that Johnson was "with" Gambino and Colombo wiseguys?

Jerome Johnson's last known address was 180 Christopher Street, above a gay bar called Christopher's End. The bar was managed by a friend of Johnson's, Michael Umbers, a known pornographer, and the building was owned by Paul DiBella, a member of the Gambino Family.

http://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

Johnson was also rumored to be being blackmailed by Ed "Skull" Murphy an FBI informant who was documented here

https://nihilobstat.info/2021/06/14...nd-activist-chapter-1-meeting-ed-murphy/

Colombos and Gambinos controlled almost 100% of porn including gay porn in NYC as far as I know.

Even rats fuck up bad enough that their government handlers cant get them out of.

This happened to Hill and Gravano as well.

I agree the Persico theory I present here has some holes.

But when I look at how literally every single person above him was removed in some shady ass way, and how he is front and center of every single Colombo War, to me it seems possible.



Angela posted the Scarpa files in their most unredacted form on her website and AFAIK they are still up, in theory no one should have to send them to anyone.


Gambino definitely OK'd the Colombo hit. People knew about it. This is why Vario and others had already backed away from the league and weren't in Columbus circle.

Persico was a fucking lucky man! He was shot in the face but survived and even when a more young boss was appointed he was lucky that the boss was shot,the shot caller Sonny Franzese get 50 y in 1967 so remained the only capo that can made boss and despite a 139 y sentence and a bloody internal war he before and his relatives after still rule on the Colombos.
What to say? He deserve to give his name his mob family not Massino.

You mean Persico was a lucky man? Surely you can't be talking about Colombo, nothing lucky about being a vegetable that's worse than death.

Yes.I was wrong, but you could understand it from the tone of the post.

And take Michael Franzese's word that he's not a rat...

What a guy...You claim this guy put a contract out on your life , and then you defend him and say he was never a rat...

I don't think anybody else in the world that knew he was marked for death by a major crime boss would be so willing to defend the guy who supposedly wanted to kill him...

God works in mysterious ways !!

There was so much porn back then they were lucky if they had 5% of it. No group had 100% of anything, be it drugs or gambling.or any racket. There was just way too much and way too many people involved.

If Michael found God,they must forgive his enemies,the good cristians do it.Even the Pope forgave who shot him in 1982.

No citation, and a post from someone who is known to talk out of their ass.

Here let me refute your CNN talk real quick.

https://apnews.com/article/db7e93ac76e44f4eb603d3dfc5368e56

A snippet:


The pornography commission’s 2,000-page report issued Wednesday points to Reuben Sturman of Cleveland, ?widely believed to be the largest distributor of pornography in the world,? as an example of the link between the Mafia and the porn industry.

Mafia-figure-turned-informant Aladena Fratianno told the commission that if Sturman ?has a problem he goes to? Robert DiBernardo. DiBernardo was identified in a federal grand jury indictment last month in New York as a captain in the Gambino Mafia family.


Not to mention Periano/Franzese were the literal funders of Deep Throat and they were Colombo.

CNN is full of it, plus they and other media outlets just regurgitate whatever a federal official tells them. Deep Throat was hung on the Columbos, but so many others were involved in it. All of those 2,0000 page reports and other reports our government puts out are a sad joke.

Well for one Louie it's not a Fact Gambino had Colombo shot. It's fucking speculative.