After the 1983 death of Carlos Marcello,the NO mob quickly lost control of the city and was disbanded in 1990s.
Whick organization took the control on the city?

The Gambinos have had a presence over there for many years

If we're strictly talking organized crime and not just drug dealing, I would say groups or networks loosely affiliated with the so called "Dixie Mafia" would be the only ones able to have some sort of control over the area. It's a far fetch from Cosa Nostra but who else could have any influence over city officials, unions, gambling activites;;;

I did, anything that happens in New Orleans must go through ME.

Change drug dealer, that the shit you injected into your vein has completely ruined your brain.

Marcello died in 1993. After his death Anthony Carollo (Son of "Silver dollar" Sam Carollo) took over. Joe Marcello was demoted to a Capo. But by that time there wasn't much left to take over. They were soon busted skimming the newly legal video poker machines in Operation Hardcrust and that kinda wiped out what was left. From what I understand their strawmen benefitted more from that than the Family did. Carollo died in 2007. I've heard several different names running what's left, which ain't much.

Anthony Carrolla was running things by the mid 80s....Marcello lost his mind in prison
The mob was already extremely small and not very active by the time Marcello went to prison and Carrolla tried to revive things a bit by working with The Gambinos,Genovese,Tampa and Philadelphia...
Marcello stopped making people by the early 60s....

I've heard something similar but have also heard Carollo took over shortly before Marcello's death. Joe was supposedly running things in Carlos's stead. I've seen nothing concrete either way. As I understand it Carollo brought the Genovese and Gambino's in on the skim for their experience. Yep, Carlos didn't Make many guys. I've only found info on about 8 guys or so.

Today there are virtually extinct. After Carlos got Alzheimers disease and later passed away, whatever little action was still going on within NO by their extremely limited inducted membership was maintained by the few men remaining.

But by the mid-1990s it was essentially long over for them, with their best days far behind them

According to Sammy The Bull, thy werent inducting new members because very few of the younger generation were all Italian. Most of the 2nd generation Italians married non-Italian women [probably southern women from NO ], and therefore their kids werent eligible for induction at that time.

You would think he could have imported some guys from NYC, or even some zips to expand his family but decided not to for whatever reason.

There’s a wiretap from 1986 between Carrolla and Reds Pontani where Carrolla is telling him Carlos Marcello is finished and that the Marcellos aren’t shit anymore and that Philly is free to bring drugs into New Orleans...

The Marcello Family always had a very small "official" membership to begin with. The borgata counted on a large number of outside associates to augment them. And for many decades it worked. But as Carlos and his top men aged and died off, he never inducted new blood.

Why that is is anyones guess. It could be a number of things; he just didn't wanna do so; there weren't enough available "Italians" who Marcello felt were groomed and capable of stepping into their tradition; there were too many "half breeds" (although I'm not certain that played into it because even by the mid-1970s when NY opened the books there were many guys brought in that were not full-blooded Italians (I personally know of several).

But understand also ML that the New Orleans crew was not alone in their thinking. Its the very same process and mindset that led to the demise of many borgatas throughout America. A lot of those old time siggies just didn't trust or care to induct the newer generation. They lived the life and utilized it to springboard their lot, and let the family die of attrition.

Good examples of this was the Pittston-Scranton crew under Russ Bufalino, the Pittsburgh outfit under LaRocca, the Cleveland family, San Jose, San Francisco, etc. The list goes on and on.

Only the largest crews like NYC, Philly, New England, etc., maintained themselves in future decades. And today even those crews are rocking on their heels from a lack of quality recruit, as well as, a shrunken membership roster.

Got a link to that?

There’s a wiretap from 1986 between Carrolla and Reds Pontani where Carrolla is telling him Carlos Marcello is finished and that the Marcellos aren’t shit anymore and that Philly is free to bring drugs into New Orleans...
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Got a link to that?[/quote]

https://louisianamafia.wordpress.co...iloxi-the-fall-of-the-new-orleans-mafia/

Sure, go ahead. Come on in. You won’t get any heat from the Marcellos. They’re finished. They don’t mean nothin’ around here anymore.

That’s what “Fat” Frank Gagliano said to Philadelphia Mafia capo Albert “Reds” Pontani when Mafia families from New York and Philadelphia started to extend their business interest to New Orleans (14).



https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/0...he-Mafia-family-allegedly/1476572158800/
Touches about the indictment in New Orleans

Also the book “Cigar City Mafia” touches on it as well....

Got a link to that?[/quote]

https://louisianamafia.wordpress.co...iloxi-the-fall-of-the-new-orleans-mafia/

Sure, go ahead. Come on in. You won’t get any heat from the Marcellos. They’re finished. They don’t mean nothin’ around here anymore.

That’s what “Fat” Frank Gagliano said to Philadelphia Mafia capo Albert “Reds” Pontani when Mafia families from New York and Philadelphia started to extend their business interest to New Orleans (14).



https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/0...he-Mafia-family-allegedly/1476572158800/
Touches about the indictment in New Orleans

Also the book “Cigar City Mafia” touches on it as well....[/quote]

I've been under the impression that conversation took place closer to Marcello's death. However, I don't see where it's stated that it was a wiretap from 1986. Notice that Davis refers to a source who heard the taps. Not that he heard the tape or got the transcript in his 350 pages of transcript. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm sure it did. I'm just wondering about the timing. Plus we're talking Davis here. He got a lot of shit wrong. Something to try and sort out though.

Today New Orleans is run by a bunch of black gangs that no one even cares about, they have nowhere near the allure and fascination that the mob did.

Maybe some of these guys got to the point of making most of their money through legitimate business and figured 'why continue with something that isnt necessary or worth the prison time'. Just my speculation.

https://louisianamafia.wordpress.co...iloxi-the-fall-of-the-new-orleans-mafia/

Sure, go ahead. Come on in. You won’t get any heat from the Marcellos. They’re finished. They don’t mean nothin’ around here anymore.

That’s what “Fat” Frank Gagliano said to Philadelphia Mafia capo Albert “Reds” Pontani when Mafia families from New York and Philadelphia started to extend their business interest to New Orleans (14).



https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/0...he-Mafia-family-allegedly/1476572158800/
Touches about the indictment in New Orleans

Also the book “Cigar City Mafia” touches on it as well....[/quote]

I've been under the impression that conversation took place closer to Marcello's death. However, I don't see where it's stated that it was a wiretap from 1986. Notice that Davis refers to a source who heard the taps. Not that he heard the tape or got the transcript in his 350 pages of transcript. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm sure it did. I'm just wondering about the timing. Plus we're talking Davis here. He got a lot of shit wrong. Something to try and sort out though.[/quote]


Reds Pontani was indicted and held without bail in 1988, so it had to be before 88 and the wiretaps were from 85 to 86 in the case so it was during that time period

New Orleans is ending loke Detroit ie the whites that leave from the city and the blacks (over 60% of the population) and the Latinos that take the control.

Also the book “Cigar City Mafia” touches on it as well....[/quote]

I've been under the impression that conversation took place closer to Marcello's death. However, I don't see where it's stated that it was a wiretap from 1986. Notice that Davis refers to a source who heard the taps. Not that he heard the tape or got the transcript in his 350 pages of transcript. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm sure it did. I'm just wondering about the timing. Plus we're talking Davis here. He got a lot of shit wrong. Something to try and sort out though.[/quote]


Reds Pontani was indicted and held without bail in 1988, so it had to be before 88 and the wiretaps were from 85 to 86 in the case so it was during that time period[/quote]


Your confusing authors none of this had anything to do w Davis the author of kingfish
These are FBI wiretaps
Marcello was a greedy old school boss who didn’t give a fuck about the family only about himself that’s why he didn’t make members cause he didn’t want to share or take the risk of going to prison. I think a lot of his mythology was just that myth and his heyday was the 50s. By the 80s he was basically finished and his family grew old and decrepit He didn’t control all crime in New Orleans that was bullshit, and his connections through the teamsters and others was because he was part of the mafia not becuase he himself had all this union control...it was the same story in places like Tampa,Milwaukee and even Cleveland to a certain degree for that matter. These bosses reputations were overblown. There families as a whole were nothing like they’re bosses reps especially by the 70s and 80s. There was no comparison between them and the real Cosa Nostra families that existed in New York,Chicago,New Jersey,Philadelphia,New England,Pittsburgh,Detroit and Kansas City

so-called "white flight" didn't have much of an impact on the LCN here in Detroit

they were already scattered around the townships

the current state of local LCN is almost entirely due to those involved deciding to go this way.

I sort of agree with you, the reputation of Carlos Marcello was so overblown that he seemed like a one-man crime family. I'd have to read his entire story again though to see if I agree with you about his power being virtually nonexistent by the 1970s and him only being powerful in the 1950s, I think he still had a great deal of power in the 1960s and maybe even 70s as well.

I've been under the impression that conversation took place closer to Marcello's death. However, I don't see where it's stated that it was a wiretap from 1986. Notice that Davis refers to a source who heard the taps. Not that he heard the tape or got the transcript in his 350 pages of transcript. Not saying it didn't happen, I'm sure it did. I'm just wondering about the timing. Plus we're talking Davis here. He got a lot of shit wrong. Something to try and sort out though.[/quote]


Reds Pontani was indicted and held without bail in 1988, so it had to be before 88 and the wiretaps were from 85 to 86 in the case so it was during that time period[/quote]


Your confusing authors none of this had anything to do w Davis the author of kingfish
These are FBI wiretaps
Marcello was a greedy old school boss who didn’t give a fuck about the family only about himself that’s why he didn’t make members cause he didn’t want to share or take the risk of going to prison. I think a lot of his mythology was just that myth and his heyday was the 50s. By the 80s he was basically finished and his family grew old and decrepit He didn’t control all crime in New Orleans that was bullshit, and his connections through the teamsters and others was because he was part of the mafia not becuase he himself had all this union control...it was the same story in places like Tampa,Milwaukee and even Cleveland to a certain degree for that matter. These bosses reputations were overblown. There families as a whole were nothing like they’re bosses reps especially by the 70s and 80s. There was no comparison between them and the real Cosa Nostra families that existed in New York,Chicago,New Jersey,Philadelphia,New England,Pittsburgh,Detroit and Kansas City [/quote]

When I asked you for a link you provided the one to Dexter's site. Dexter got the info from MK which he cites. If you go to the info in MK that he cites it brings you to page 533. Davis explains that he did not hear the tapes or get that info from a transcript of the tapes. "According to a source that heard the wiretaps" is all he gives.

Cigar City Mafia is written by Scott Deitche

Speaking of Scott Dietche, has anyone read his new one about the Purple Gang? I think it's out now.

Correct.,Did you provide a link to Scott's book that supports the wiretap info? I missed it if so.

I don’t have the book online but you can purchase it or Scott D posts on here as well...reach out to him

I have not but I’m going to

Lol, OK.

Where are you from by chance? If you are from the South then you would know Marcello was as big as they came, he held more power inside of Louisiana than ANY mafia boss ever has over his home state. That's guaranteed. Now outside of the Texas/NOLA/MS/AL areas he was not as strong but inside of Louisiana he was it.

Like others have said earlier he did keep his family small and put his family on the inside because he didn't trust many at all. That was the downfall of course once he went away and the brothers held no significant power once Carlos was gone. He went to prison when? Around the same time frame as the wiretap seems to have been recorded so it makes sense why Corolla would say that. That family was ALWAYS hinged on Carlos being there to survive and once he was gone you seen it didn't last long. If Corolla wasn't around it would have fallen apart even sooner than that I imagine or if he had been a smaller figure, he held some sway in mob circles because of who his Dad was and of course sticking around after losing his power move against Carlos when Marcello took over.

As for who had the most control I agree with the poster about the Dixie Mafia and not because I'm a fanboy because my name really has nothing to do with the family itself. They held a good bit of power for many years while Marcello was still alive especially outside of Louisiana. Don't forget Mr. Mike and Kirksey Nix was just down the road in Gulfport for many years. They definitely controlled the liquor and drugs in most Southern states back then until near the 90's when a lot ended up in prison. Granted there was not much of a family structure as all the cities crooks down here were all tied into each other at different times and different ways and they all worked together here and there and they always shared hitters as seen in the Judge Sherry case when the DM guy from Georgia was in on the hit. That's why a lot of homicides never got solved around here