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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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03/30/23 12:05 AM
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In the neighborhood back then "ALOT" of people suspected he was "NO GOOD" however, at the same time were really confused because a "RAT" was "NOT" allowed to "KILL" and Scarpa was killing on regular.
So there was confusion.
On top of being Very Scared to blurt that out in fear of Scarpa finding out and killing you.
Lastly he had a "HUGE" crew on 13th ave, that brought in cash for the family.
I do not think anyone knew for sure I believe they more so suspected it.
He was too strong, too feared to act with out proof. His crew would have gone to war.
I think the Persico's knew to the extent of Massino knowing Brasco was a FBI agent,
Massino suspected it however, had no proof, so he kept his distance from Brasco and did not get in bed with him.
So I remember being young at the time and the older guys while trying to make a point to me, asking me and saying, dont you think it strange that, He has never gone to jail look at everyone else that is on the street and as exposed as much as he is, they all either went to jail (For a LONG TIME), or are home from jail, or have recently been arrested, Not Scarpa.
Occam's Razor dictated back then that we was a R.A.T.
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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03/30/23 07:09 AM
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In the neighborhood back then "ALOT" of people suspected he was "NO GOOD" however, at the same time were really confused because a "RAT" was "NOT" allowed to "KILL" and Scarpa was killing on regular.
So there was confusion.
On top of being Very Scared to blurt that out in fear of Scarpa finding out and killing you.
Lastly he had a "HUGE" crew on 13th ave, that brought in cash for the family.
I do not think anyone knew for sure I believe they more so suspected it.
He was too strong, too feared to act with out proof. His crew would have gone to war.
I think the Persico's knew to the extent of Massino knowing Brasco was a FBI agent,
Massino suspected it however, had no proof, so he kept his distance from Brasco and did not get in bed with him.
So I remember being young at the time and the older guys while trying to make a point to me, asking me and saying, dont you think it strange that, He has never gone to jail look at everyone else that is on the street and as exposed as much as he is, they all either went to jail (For a LONG TIME), or are home from jail, or have recently been arrested, Not Scarpa.
Occam's Razor dictated back then that we was a R.A.T.
Agreed … he kept killing and it kept the wolves from him … i dont think many had it like Scarpa … his handlers thought they were playing army .
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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03/31/23 01:32 PM
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I'm not convinced they knew, I suspect he told mazza that to save face and act like he and his father knew. No way he doesn't get whacked on Carmines orders if her knew it. NO WAY This seems like a logical and likely explanation.
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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03/31/23 05:42 PM
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I'm not convinced they knew, I suspect he told mazza that to save face and act like he and his father knew. No way he doesn't get whacked on Carmines orders if her knew it. NO WAY Maybe it’s a situation where you would have to be around it to understand it. Nobody knew for sure. Whenever there was someone in the street that put in ALOT OF WORK, for a long time and they never did a serious BID, after a while the rumor mill starts chirping. Hey “THE GRIM REAPER” has atleast 10 bodies, his crew is huge they are running around beating people down, selling drugs out in the open, shaking down bookmakers etc…. All these other Captains are under indictment, in jail, facing 100 years. Scarpa NOTHING, he got pinched and was out in a year. The streets start talking…. Then you find out he just whacked someone else and the whole neighborhood knows it was Scarpa or his crew that he is responsible, This is where you become conflicted and it’s like no way Scarpa is a RAT, he just whacked, so and so….. NO WAY the feds are giving him a s deal, they cannot. Then it gets around that Greg found out someone was calling him a rat and that he invited that individual to his club and killed him on the spot. He again can’t be a RAT, just too much violence and/or the cases he is making will not stick. Couple years go by more indictments and Scarpa is still as free as a bird. Now some through all that remain convinced that he was a RAT. Some through all of that remain convinced that he was NOT a RAT. Nobody was sure, as per the rules of the street especially back then if you don’t have paperwork showing proof that the person is in fact a RAT, the person that is being accused could win at a sit down and possibly get permission to kill you. Or in Scarpa’s case just KILL YOU… As he did before. With all that being said there were plenty of people coming out saying “I KNEW IT” the whole time, I knew he was a RAT… (Hindsight is always 20/20) Or (Monday Morning Quaterback). What that meant for most was that they felt that something was not right, and now they have validation, so the I knew its, we’re more so from that perspective, than in the literal sense. It wasn’t that he knew it 100% and decided to look the other way. He like most felt something was off however, no paperwork so no proof, the envelopes keep coming, and he keeps killing people, and the people that he is killing are my enemies. Larry Mazza, that was his excuse for flipping supposedly that once Persico had that conversation with him he was so upset that he decided flip. That’s a big CROCK OF SHIT…
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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04/03/23 01:18 AM
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I never read any books on Scarpa, I definitely will one day.
My guess is he would have had to provide some value to the FBI and Delvecchio to be able to get as much as he did out of them, he worked with them for 30+ years I believe, it had to be a two-way street. I am not doubting what you posted I am sure you did your research before you posted.
I am just trying to fill in some bits and pieces from living in the same neighborhood as he also, we would hear the neighborhood politics from the older guys that were looking out for us and teaching us right from wrong.
BensonHURST- was a great place to live for so many different reasons however, if you did not know the rules or knew the rules but decided not to follow them you very easily could find yourself in the back of a trunk with two behind your ears.
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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04/03/23 03:38 PM
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Larry Mazza, that was his excuse for flipping supposedly that once Persico had that conversation with him he was so upset that he decided flip.
That’s a big CROCK OF SHIT…
Good posts BH (& others). Mazza used that conversation as his reason to flip? That is weak, real weak. I thought both Scarpa books were good. Mafia son has lots of (real) family input. Deal with the devil is really detailed. Tells a lot about how Scarpa kept getting away with things. Bent fbi agents etc. Find it on you tube, I'm sure.
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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04/03/23 06:38 PM
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I posted this before When I was a teenager And worked at a deli in the neighborhood
Greg used to come in for his cigarettes and coffee daily. I had no idea who he was at the time, I was just a dumb kid.
I actually charged him for what he bought and he looked at me, with a look like he was shell shocked. I was just doing my job, it was my first week working the counter.j
I forget how the owner found out it so long ago
It was like what I did… The owner pulled me aside and told me what I did He apologized many times for me “NOT KNOWING BETTER” I had to apologize to him.
It was the talk of the deli afterwards other worksers came in and were laughing about it. I heard you charged GREG SCARPA
I never forget how terrified the owner was when talking to him Greg didn’t really say two words
After that and until I stopped working there I would drop everyone else I was helping Run over to him, he would tell me what he wanted, I would give it to him, he never said two words to me.
It’s comical that Messy Marvin stood up to him and shot his eye out. Historically you would never mention DeRosa, Messy and Scarpa in the same sentence.
Because Messy Marvin was a SLOB, I am almost positive that he was on the spectrum, back then we didn’t know what the spectrum was, just to give you an idea of the caliber of Messy.
They only had the balls to do that because at that time Scarpa was outed and it was open season on him. Marvin and DeRosa hooked up with shooters from the Luke’s.
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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04/05/23 10:37 PM
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Just looked up Messy Marvin and saw this comment;
" Must have been quite the blow to the mighty Greg Scarpa's ego. He was a Mafia soldier for forty plus years, tortured a KKK supporter while working as a government informant in a pivotal moment in American history, survived three mob wars, and was nicknamed The Grim Reaper for killing around a hundred guys. All this and he gets his eye shot out by some Irish fat fuck with the lame nickname 'Messy.' "
LMAO I think there is a picture of him floating around on the internet somewhere. If there was ever a nickname that fit, it is his.
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Re: Colombos knew Scarpa informer
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04/06/23 02:25 AM
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In the neighborhood back then "ALOT" of people suspected he was "NO GOOD" however, at the same time were really confused because a "RAT" was "NOT" allowed to "KILL" and Scarpa was killing on regular.
So there was confusion.
On top of being Very Scared to blurt that out in fear of Scarpa finding out and killing you.
Lastly he had a "HUGE" crew on 13th ave, that brought in cash for the family.
I do not think anyone knew for sure I believe they more so suspected it.
He was too strong, too feared to act with out proof. His crew would have gone to war.
I think the Persico's knew to the extent of Massino knowing Brasco was a FBI agent,
Massino suspected it however, had no proof, so he kept his distance from Brasco and did not get in bed with him.
So I remember being young at the time and the older guys while trying to make a point to me, asking me and saying, dont you think it strange that, He has never gone to jail look at everyone else that is on the street and as exposed as much as he is, they all either went to jail (For a LONG TIME), or are home from jail, or have recently been arrested, Not Scarpa.
Occam's Razor dictated back then that we was a R.A.T.
Agreed … he kept killing and it kept the wolves from him … i dont think many had it like Scarpa … his handlers thought they were playing army . Serp... What do you think of this weeks G.L. article? Looks like they still have a firm grip on the family ? Ur thoughts
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