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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: Turnbull]
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06/30/23 12:57 PM
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Furio, I doubt that any bosses were "morally opposed" to drug trafficking, or any other business that brought in money. But drugs posed a dilemma for them: they knew that some money wasl being kicked upstairs to them from associates who were "secretly" dealing drugs, and they liked the money. But an associate arrested for dealing drubs was a direct threat to them. So they resorted to the usual hypocrisy: they declared death for any associate CAUGHT dealing drugs. That way, what they didn't know wouldn't hurt them. I agree, but also disagree, with that assessment. Because there were, in fact, many old-timers, who were staunchly opposed to dealing narcotics on a moral basis, If only because they feared their own children and grandchildren would be susceptible to the allure of drugs. They also knew that shit 'destroyed' people, and they considered drug dealing "dirty" and beneath them. Many guys felt that although they were so-called racketeers, as mafiosi, they were 'men of respect' who culled respect from the denizen of their respective neighborhoods. And the very thought of them dealing in that shit was aberrant to them. They considered it to be a 'low class' business that was beneath them, so to speak. It was one thing to be a bookmaker, policy racketeer, shylock, thief, etc. But drugs? That was another depth altogether, and a line in the sand that many refused to cross. Those are the 'un-sung' goodfellas that nobody talks about, because fellas like that, many of them anyway, were more reserved in both thought and deed. And nobody advertises that type of stuff in the newspapers. They just lived with, and followed, their own personal set of morals.
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: Giacalone]
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06/30/23 05:56 PM
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Carmine Persico absolutely despised narcotics NOT true!....He'd kill his general membership if anybody dared get involved dealing (and he did, on several occasions), but just like Profaci before him, Persico allowed a very small contingent of his key men, to deal heavily, from Florida to NY with marijuana, cocaine, and even heroin. Thats a fact
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: Hollander]
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06/30/23 08:49 PM
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Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) was an agency of the United States Department of the Treasury from 1930-1968. 90% of the mafiosi had narcotics violations on their record also after 1968. Thats also not true Hollander...not true at all. ONLY the names put into the FBN "handbook" had narcotics arrests. There were literally thousands more mob guys, many thousands more mob guys, from all over the USA, whose names were never put in the FBN book, because they had absolutely no known ties to the narcotics business in any way, shape, or form. In fact, to be even more precise, (and you can check this for yourself), many of the names and related profiles of the racket guys who the FBN did include in their book also did NOT have any arrests for narcotics. They were only inserted into the book because they were top mafiosi, "suspected" of dealing in drugs, or because they were friends or associated with men who were known to be in the drug racket.
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
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06/30/23 08:54 PM
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Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) was an agency of the United States Department of the Treasury from 1930-1968. 90% of the mafiosi had narcotics violations on their record also after 1968. Thats also not true Hollander...not true at all. ONLY the names put into the FBN "handbook" had narcotics arrests. There were literally thousands more mob guys, many thousands more mob guys, from all over the USA, whose names were never put in the FBN book, because they had absolutely no known ties to the narcotics business in any way, shape, or form. In fact, to be even more precise, (and you can check this for yourself), many of the names and related profiles of the racket guys who the FBN did include in their book also did NOT have any arrests for narcotics. They were only inserted into the book because they were top mafiosi, "suspected" of dealing in drugs, or because they were friends or associated with men who were known to be in the drug racket. OK thanks for the nuance NYM. but narcotics still was/is one of the top money makers for the Mafia/Cosa Nostra.
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: Hollander]
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06/30/23 09:20 PM
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Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) was an agency of the United States Department of the Treasury from 1930-1968. 90% of the mafiosi had narcotics violations on their record also after 1968. Thats also not true Hollander...not true at all. ONLY the names put into the FBN "handbook" had narcotics arrests. There were literally thousands more mob guys, many thousands more mob guys, from all over the USA, whose names were never put in the FBN book, because they had absolutely no known ties to the narcotics business in any way, shape, or form. In fact, to be even more precise, (and you can check this for yourself), many of the names and related profiles of the racket guys who the FBN did include in their book also did NOT have any arrests for narcotics. They were only inserted into the book because they were top mafiosi, "suspected" of dealing in drugs, or because they were friends or associated with men who were known to be in the drug racket. OK thanks for the nuance NYM. but narcotics still was/is one of the top money makers for the Mafia/Cosa Nostra. Hollander, I do agree with you that nowadays, the mob, especially the various Mafias in Italy and Sicily, as well as other criminal organizations in other countries like France, Spain, The Netherlands, Germany, etc., do heavily engage in various forms of drug trafficking. By the ton, no less. The Mob in the USA, because of the current lack of so many other previously lucrative illicit rackets, has also turned more and more to drug trafficking. Because there is little else by which they can turn an illegal buck with. But most of the "traditional" Cosa Nostra membership, from the 1920s, all the way up through the early 2000s era, didn't need or want involvement in drugs. Today? In the year 2023?...Whatever is left of the mob, and certainly their blood brothers back in the homeland, do view drugs as a primary source of income for the reasons I enumerated above.
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: RushStreet]
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07/01/23 01:08 PM
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Accardo, Aiuppa and Alex...from the early 70s onward.
@RushStreet...LaPietra was involved in narcotics since the 1950s...maybe later Accardo and Alex changed his mind. Many victims of the so-called "chop shop wars" were in fact killed because if their involvement in narcotics. So if LaPietra backed the "narcotics faction", he was probably going to end up with a bullet in his head. Angelo became wiser with age. Thats all there is to it in my opinion. Thats right, especially when he inherited the position of the late Torello as representative for one of the Outfit's four factions, aka the Cicero/Chinatown/South Side faction (with Ferriola beneath him), which means he received income from every possible racket, and he obviously didnt need income from narcotics which was still considered as unwatned "heat" at the time by the top bosses such as Accardo, Aiuppa, Alex and Cerone. In fact this was a selfish decision made by the bosses who in turn received income from every racket, while the rest of soldiers and associates lived like everyday bums. Imagine if the Outfit's bosses listened to high level members like Chuck Nicoletti...i think today we were going to look at the biggest narcotics cartel under the jurisdiction of America's Cosa Nostra.
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
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07/03/23 04:06 PM
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He did say on the tapes made members who deal in junk ''gotta be killed'' because they attract too much attention from the authorities.
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: NYMafia]
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07/03/23 05:50 PM
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The thing is drugs was a business like hookers and gambling no boss would object it on a moral ground only when they thought it was dangerous maybe. I disagree (and I have first hand knowledge about that) Of course you do. I'm sorry but I'd rather take the word of people who've actually taken the oath.
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: Hollander]
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07/03/23 05:51 PM
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He did say on the tapes made members who deal in junk ''gotta be killed'' because they attract too much attention from the authorities. Quite a few guys got killed for violating this rule. Some bosses looked the other way, but some certainly didn't.
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
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Re: Bosses that was really against the drugs
[Re: Giacalone]
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07/04/23 12:51 AM
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The thing is drugs was a business like hookers and gambling no boss would object it on a moral ground only when they thought it was dangerous maybe. I disagree (and I have first hand knowledge about that) Of course you do. I'm sorry but I'd rather take the word of people who've actually taken the oath. -- You're sorry? For what? Don't be sorry Giacalone. Why should you be sorry? By all means, you're free to believe whoever you need to, or whatever you need to, if that helps you get through the night. Like the guy once said, "That's what makes horse races. Everybody bets on a different horse." But keep in mind, that's also why most bettors lose their shirts and why bookmakers make so much money. Like I said the first time around, I disagree.
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