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The next family to become defunct?? #1063519
07/11/23 03:55 PM
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In your opinion within the next 10 years which family will become officially defunct that is still currently active?

Discuss.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063523
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I think Buffalo, Detroit, Chicago, and New England are all hanging by a thread. But even before we consider any of them, there's Rockford. (And if there's still even any real type of structure left, and thats debatable), IMO, that would certainly be the first to succumb to extinction.

Because despite their current state, the Five Families, Philadelphia, and even NJ, I think are all stable enough to continue on for quite some time yet. Not that they're thriving by any stretch of the imagination. But, IMO, they're here to stay awhile yet.

Did I leave anybody out? I think I've pretty much named all the borgatas still out there.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063525
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Rockford is most definitely defunct. Detroit and Chicago are more active than most probably think in my opinion, but are a shell of their former selves. I'd probably put New Jersey below both of them personally. I think you could make an argument that the Colombos are in pretty rough shape, but still are functional. In summation, I'd say 5 families and Philly are probably overall most active today, but its so much different than the days of old. It's hard not to say that every LCN group in the US isn't hanging by a thread.

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Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063528
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I don't believe that any of the Families people named here will be extinct, except for Rockford. Like WTF? Rockford? As for Buffalo, many people were saying that they were already extinct for years, then they pop their heads up again. I'm convinced that they are still here. So if Buffalo is still here then for sure Chicago and New England isn't going anywhere.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063562
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The small family can be disbanded only if a shootcaller flips and led to the arrest of dozen of made men and associates.
In Philly Merlino have his chilhood friends that should go in prison for life without flip and the Detroit family is like a ndrina with members related by marriage.
In Chicago the Outfit dodged another family segrets part II.
I dont have any infos on the Patriarcas.
But for me the DeCavalcantes are the most probable candidate to be disbanded or split between Gambinos or Lukes.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063564
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I don't think that the DeCavalcante Family is going extinct just because of their ties to Sicily in Ribera. If they were solely relying on American recruits then maybe.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: Liggio] #1063566
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Originally Posted by Liggio
I don't think that the DeCavalcante Family is going extinct just because of their ties to Sicily in Ribera. If they were solely relying on American recruits then maybe.


I dont say exitinct but split between 2 o more NY families. Most of the members are old and even if will create a zip faction,in NJ the mobsters would try to be on record on NY family Jersey crews that decavalcantes.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063573
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The city of Rockford might be defunct before too long. I can't imagine there are a ton of opportunities for rackets in that shithole.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063575
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rockford!!!...really??? who still thinks there is an active family there? not a bloody chance. any money making racket that still exists and to agree with chicubs, likely very few exist today, would be worked by the OUTFIT. although a handful of old names with vowels at the end may remain in rockford...there is no family operating in that city as has not been for 25 plus years. honestly when was the last time there was a prominent arrest in that city showing a structured organized mafia crime family?

as far as who goes defunct next...detroit looks like the winner. with less than 10 known made men left alive and not imprisoned the partnership has likely transitioned smoothly into the legit/retired enjoying my money phase. to re state questions the same questions about rockford...where have the busts been? any news coming out of detroit is usually an article about someone dying naturally in detroit. any high profile indictments or murders have nothing to do with them. there doesnt appear to be any evidence of the partnership having any involvement in narcotics. so my answer is detroit but defunct may not be the right word. they have become quasi legit along the likes of the outfit in chicago.

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063615
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Last know boss Frank Saladino died in 2005.

That what remains of Rockford Mafia.

Cicero, Calogero “Alex” -
*member of Rockford Mafia
*born in 1925
*still living, currently residing in North Reddington Beach, Florida
*brother of Matt Cicero, Rockford attorney described as “very well connected”

DiGiacomo, Alfonse –
*born in September 1957, in Aragona, Sicily (1948???)
*cousin of Frank Buscemi, brother of Salvatore
*active in Rondinella foods
*associate of Galluzzo

DiGiacomo, Salvatore –
*born August 1947, in Aragona, Sicily
*brother of Alfonse, cousin of Frank Buscemi


Fiorenza, Joseph F. “Pep” –
*born October 22, 1945, in Rockford
*arrested in February 2006, on gambling charges. Figured in a sports betting ring operating from the 1980s up to at least 2005. Others figuring in the case were John Frisella, Nicholas and Rick fiorenza, Charles Purin, Frank Giardono, Nick Provenzano Joseph W. Saladino and John Salamone. Frank Saladino named as unindicted co-conspirator

Fiorenza, Nicholas T. –
*born 1967, in Rockford
*son of Joseph Fiorenza, brother of Rick
*figured in 2006 gambling case

Fiorenza, Rick T. –
*born June 3, 1969, in Rockford
*figured in 2006 gambling case

Frisella, John P. “Tiger” –
*born in December 9, 1948, in Rockford
*brother of Sam
*Rockford gambling figure
*arrested in July 1994 on gambling charges in Creative Jewelers raid
*arrested in February 2006, on gambling charges. Figured in a sports betting ring operating from the 1980s up to at least 2005. Others figuring in the case were Joseph, Nicholas and Rick fiorenza, Charles Purin, Frank Giardono, Nick Provenzano Joseph W. Saladino and John Salamone. Frank Saladino named as unindicted co-conspirator

Frisella, Samuel Andrew –
*born in 1943
*brother of John
*appeared before 1969 Grand Jury investigating Rockford organized crime

Galluzzo, Natale –
*born in May 3, 1936, in Aragona, Sicily
*brother of Salvatore Galluzzo
*involved in Rockford gambling
*involved in 1981 arson case in Rockford
*currently alleged to be among the leading gambling figures in Rockford

Galluzzo, Salvatore –
*born in 1934, in Aragona, Sicily
*member of Rockford Mafia
*cousin of Frank Buscemi
*described as being the most logical person to be in command of the current Family in Rockford
*closely associated with certain elements of the Chicago Outfit


Giardono, Frank C. Jr. –
*born September 6, 1936, in Rockford
*brother of Sam
*stepson of Charles Vince
*brother-in-law of Angelo Pro
*arrested in July 1994 on gambling charges in Creative Jewelers raid
*figured in 2006 gambling case

Giardono, Sam J. -
*born approx. 1938
*brother of Frank
*stepson of Charles Vince
*arrested in July 1994 on gambling charges in Creative Jewelers raid


Leumbroni, John S. –
*born January 1950
*alleged associate
*headed majr drug trafficking ring, allegedly connected to Rockford Mafia
*arrested in 1982 for cocaine trafficking. Arrested with him were his brother Mike, John Barteli, Jack Richardson, Dennis Lee Salisbury, John J. Schiro, Israel R. Campello, Rubin Yazez, all of Rockford, Luke Cannella, from Rockford but arrested in Las Vegas and Manuel Martin Gomez, of Chicago.

Leumbroni, Michael -
*born in 1952, in Rockford
*brother of John
*associate
*arrested as member of John Leumbroni drug ring in 1982


Pro, Angelo “Dingo” -
*born in 1930 in Rockford
*active in gambling, loansharking and prostitution, the latter after the Calcione brothers ceased this activity
*said to have been close to Rockford’s African American community
*subpoenad before 1959 Grand Jury investigating Burton/Greco murders
*arrested on gambling charges in March 1989
*still alive


Saladino, Joseph W. –
*born October 11, 1945, in Rockford
*grandson of Andrew Saladino
*son of Joseph P. Saladino
*figured in 2006 gambling case
Salamone, John F. “John Finooch” -
*born Approx. 1978
*arrested in February 2006, on gambling charges. Figured in a sports betting ring operating from the 1980s up to at least 2005. Others figuring in the case were Joseph, Nicholas and Rick fiorenza, Charles Purin, Frank Giardono, Nick Provenzano Joseph W. Saladino and John Frisella. Frank Saladino named as unindicted co-conspirator

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063616
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If they're even alive today (which I doubt for most of them), Cicero is a fossil at 98 years old; the Galluzzos are 87 and 89, respectively; the Giordonos are 87 and 85; and Pro is 93....These fellas, if they're still alive, don't count!

But there are still the Fiorenza, Frisella, Leumbroni brothers, Saladino and a few others. They may have brought in a few more guys too, zips, etc. But overall, if Rockford is still active, they're action is limited. Still, I think they may have more going on than a lot of other areas of the country. Gambling, etc.

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Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: NYMafia] #1063618
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Originally Posted by NYMafia
If they're even alive today (which I doubt for most of them), Cicero is a fossil at 98 years old; the Galluzzos are 87 and 89, respectively; the Giordonos are 87 and 85; and Pro is 93....These fellas, if they're still alive, don't count!

But there are still the Fiorenza, Frisella, Leumbroni brothers, Saladino and a few others. They may have brought in a few more guys too, zips, etc. But overall, if Rockford is still active, they're action is limited. Still, I think they may have more going on than a lot of other areas of the country. Gambling, etc.


If is still active why there was no bust from 2006?

Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: furio_from_naples] #1063619
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by NYMafia
If they're even alive today (which I doubt for most of them), Cicero is a fossil at 98 years old; the Galluzzos are 87 and 89, respectively; the Giordonos are 87 and 85; and Pro is 93....These fellas, if they're still alive, don't count!

But there are still the Fiorenza, Frisella, Leumbroni brothers, Saladino and a few others. They may have brought in a few more guys too, zips, etc. But overall, if Rockford is still active, they're action is limited. Still, I think they may have more going on than a lot of other areas of the country. Gambling, etc.


If is still active why there was no bust from 2006?


Because they are small and insignificant. And to be truthful, maybe there have been a few busts, we just don't hear about them because they're not major, high profile cases. And Rockford, like nearby every other city today, is but a wisp of their former selves.

Yet, on some level, they still survive, if not thrive!

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Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: NYMafia] #1063623
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Originally Posted by NYMafia
If they're even alive today (which I doubt for most of them), Cicero is a fossil at 98 years old; the Galluzzos are 87 and 89, respectively; the Giordonos are 87 and 85; and Pro is 93....These fellas, if they're still alive, don't count!

But there are still the Fiorenza, Frisella, Leumbroni brothers, Saladino and a few others. They may have brought in a few more guys too, zips, etc. But overall, if Rockford is still active, they're action is limited. Still, I think they may have more going on than a lot of other areas of the country. Gambling, etc.


Why don't they count? We see age doesn't play a factor in activity all the time. Not saying they're active but to dismiss them simply because of age would be a big mistake.

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Originally Posted by Mafia101
Originally Posted by NYMafia
If they're even alive today (which I doubt for most of them), Cicero is a fossil at 98 years old; the Galluzzos are 87 and 89, respectively; the Giordonos are 87 and 85; and Pro is 93....These fellas, if they're still alive, don't count!

But there are still the Fiorenza, Frisella, Leumbroni brothers, Saladino and a few others. They may have brought in a few more guys too, zips, etc. But overall, if Rockford is still active, they're action is limited. Still, I think they may have more going on than a lot of other areas of the country. Gambling, etc.


Why don't they count? We see age doesn't play a factor in activity all the time. Not saying they're active but to dismiss them simply because of age would be a big mistake.



True (but with a caveat). Some older guys for sure are still active. But once fellas starts hitting 87, 89, and a whopping 93 an 98 - the party's over! These guys I listed are ALL late-80s to almost 100 years old....

99.99999% of guys, even in diehard areas like NYC, by that point in time? They're either long retied, at deaths door, or have one foot on the grave already and are in ill-health or senile.

IMO, common sense dictates that these are not active fellas...by any stretch of the imagination!

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by Mafia101
Originally Posted by NYMafia
If they're even alive today (which I doubt for most of them), Cicero is a fossil at 98 years old; the Galluzzos are 87 and 89, respectively; the Giordonos are 87 and 85; and Pro is 93....These fellas, if they're still alive, don't count!

But there are still the Fiorenza, Frisella, Leumbroni brothers, Saladino and a few others. They may have brought in a few more guys too, zips, etc. But overall, if Rockford is still active, they're action is limited. Still, I think they may have more going on than a lot of other areas of the country. Gambling, etc.


Why don't they count? We see age doesn't play a factor in activity all the time. Not saying they're active but to dismiss them simply because of age would be a big mistake.



True (but with a caveat). Some older guys for sure are still active. But once fellas starts hitting 87, 89, and a whopping 93 an 98 - the party's over! These guys I listed are ALL late-80s to almost 100 years old....

99.99999% of guys, even in diehard areas like NYC, by that point in time? They're either long retied, at deaths door, or have one foot on the grave already and are in ill-health or senile.

IMO, common sense dictates that these are not active fellas...by any stretch of the imagination!


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Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1063750
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Re: The next family to become defunct?? [Re: RushStreet] #1064066
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How about Kansas City? Wouldn't they be on the list to be the next one in line to be completely defunct? I would say way more before New England or Jersey.

This is of course if you already believe Detroit to be defunct.

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Originally Posted by RushStreet
How about Kansas City? Wouldn't they be on the list to be the next one in line to be completely defunct? I would say way more before New England or Jersey.

This is of course if you already believe Detroit to be defunct.

When was the last KC indictment? I haven't seen any evidence pointing to them being active. Just because made members are alive, doesn't mean they're active.


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