The FBI Lists this family as a faction of the Bonnano's.

So how much $$$ are they generating for the family in general?

I think that ended years ago...Who's gonna go Montreal and enforce anything ??

Anyone who thinks that Michael Mancuso is maintaining an iron grip on Montreal needs to have their head checked. The same people who deride the FBI as a bunch of incompetent buffoons who have no idea what's really going on also love to lean on the FBI description of Montreal as gospel to justify their Donnie Brasco-era perception of the Bonannos.

They killed Sal Montagna who overplayed his hand.

You're not going to get a answer to this because no one can actually say whether or not they are still recognized as Bonannos. Everyone has their opinions here but none of that proves anything.

In the early 2000s Dominick Cicale was told by Baldo Amato that Sal Montagna was collecting tribute for Vincent Basciano from Montreal at Christmas time and it was increased from 50k to 100k which they agreed to. Baldo Amato was close to the Montreal Bonannos and was close to and a mentor to Sal Montagna. It's not a primary source but it does come from someone who would be in a position to know.




They didn't Raynald Desjardins did. That's a important distinction to remember because it wasn't the Montreal Bonanno members who had him killed.

Back in the days I always thought that Desjardins breached the limits of a made member within the Rizzuto crime fam and Im saying this because I know that some of the CN (the whole world is Sicilian) fanatics from this same thread will attack me right here, right now lol lol so fuck em

Were the Bonnanos bringing in Zips from the Rizzuto faction to commit hits for them in New York back in the day?

Who was actually behind the murder of Salvatore Montagna then?

those on here are aware there is a search function on this site that allows you to view past topics and posts. i say this only because a topic like this continues to pop up every few months or so. with that being said the simple answer is nothing. the rizzuto-sollecito clan pays nothing to the bonannos. the fbi also lists the total numbers for each of the 5 families which have not changed a bit since 2004 according to the fbi a statistical impossibility, likely not a great source for current intell. to liggios question those who spent time in jail related to the murder of montagna are ; raynald desjardins, vittorio mirarchi, calogero milioto, petro magistrale, felice racaniello and the shooter jack simpson. most if not all should be out of jail by now, unbelievable i know but such is canadian justice.

the bonannos in the case of the 3 capos murders did indeed use both vito rizzuto and emanuele ragusa. that was the crime that vito was arrested for and imprisoned when massino and vitale began to sing.

and to mafias point it is important to distinguish factions, sides etc when discussing montreal at anytime after at least 2006. for sure after nov 2006 in mtl that was no longer a functioning united mafia family.

also i think any references to both desjardins and then later juan ramon fernandez being 'made' was media non sense. both had also been called vito's 'right hand man' at times, another hyped up press claim. vito was hard core sicilian who had a tight nit group of mostly italians and close family around him. what made him so respected and powerful was that he was able to work across the crime spectrum with those who could make money. desjardins was a high level importer of cocaine and hash with the rizzutos involved. but in the same large bust that led to desjardins arrest in proj jaggy 1993 there were other groups involved. the imports were not exclusive to the rizzutos. the quebec city HA were involved, antonio pietrantonio as well. as far as fernandez well we know what happened to him. another point about this oft quoted term 'right hand man' it can become very meaningless. when valentino morielli died in 2013 he was quoted as being vitos 'rhm', despite the fact morielli was only recently paroled in late 2012 and sick with cancer which ultimately led to his death. the same title was bestowed on vincenzo spagnolo when he was murdered in 2016. as we know now spagnolo wasnt even the intended target in that shooting it was his son nicola ordered by the scoppa bros. vincenzo spagnolos involvement in rizzuto affairs now appears to have been minor acting as someone to relay messages to the family when vito was imprisoned. vito likely relied on his father and paolo renda mostly along with rocco sollecito to help handle his business.

informazione bella grazie!
entrambe ruzzutos vito e nicolo erano soldati nella borgata bonanno e erano il piu potenza ma adesso 'button' signifa niente e una guerra con tutte le famiglie per martin robert anche penso che vito ha parlato 5 lingue in cui ha fatto l'affari possible con il suo button secondo me

good stuff, thanks.

father and son both made bonanno and respected then

Montreal Mafia: Secret messages tell the story behind a high-profile killing
"Time to close the book. The story is getting too long." Police-intercepted BlackBerry messages tell the story behind the 2011 killing of Salvatore Montagna.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...sages-tell-the-story-of-the-montagna-hit

I agree with this. Rizzuto’s went independent years ago as they grew in strength and NY dropped in strength.
NY guys are not going to Canada for vacation anymore let alone going into that mob war turf to tell someone they want a cut. Not happening these days. IMO

According to popular belief they broke away from the Bonannos when that fat rat had Gerlando Sciascia whacked.

Popular belief but we know for a fact it's not true.

By Aug. 9, it appeared Montagna had stepped up the pressure and was ordering more and more people who were paying the Rizzuto organization — for protection while they operated various illegal schemes — to pay him instead.

This is actually just as misleading as what the Canadian journalist do. Because it's not a satisfactory explanation for the Caruana- Cuntrera organization. One of the issues with the Sixth Family is how they combined the Rizzuto clan with the Caruana- Cuntreras like it really was one organization. I don't think it really was.

Also, it was stated that as far as drug importation, Vito operated like a high level broker. Working with multiple groups, Irish, Asian, Lebanese...ect....

Also, there's really NO good reason NY has no share in the Book. If they get kick ups, it definitely should be from that. They should have a share, maybe the biggest share.


We see the current conflict plaguing Montreal. Imagine Montagna ask, rather DEMANDS 25 percent off the TOP, of a Book that has 5 equal shareholders? Where was his cut supposed to come from? He shoulda moved someone else out and BOUGHT a share of the Book with tribute payments. He didn't understand that local OC wasn't subordinate, they were equal partners in various endeavors....


They became irretrievably entangled with local Organized Crime. And the Rizzutos were SO arrogant to SO many of their own guys. Almost without exception, everyone that turned on them got fucked outta either their livelihood, or years of their life, or both. They never made anything right.

I think they kicked up a little after Sciascia but not much. Not long after there’s no doubt they broke away.

Montreal showed they didn’t give a shit when a French Canadian blew Montagna away. He was on borrowed time with the Rizzuto’s after him as well.

Granted Desjardins isn’t your average French Canadian and acts more like a made guy but still.

And Cabrini, you might as well say they operated as one family because it seemed the Caruana’s and Rizzuto’s were operating hand in hand and definitely helped each other and were close. Even Scoppa mentioned Vito listened when Alfonso Caruana showed up to talk to him and I’d say they profited from some of Vito’s backing and power to in Montreal as well

I think that was one of Vito’s weaknesses. He had too many turn on him later on because of guys getting fucked over for territory or control.

De Vito thought they were to blame (maybe was but I really don’t think so)
Desjardins over the drug bust
Del Balso/Giordano over the book

Granted Giordano was offered a 1/4 of the book after he got out but he turned it down and that’s what got him killed. Del Balso was heavily involved with the betting & juice and of course was following Giordano and got even worse after Lorenzo was killed.

Raynald they basically banished it seemed but he was still heavily involved in drugs with Mirarchi but I’d say it would have benefited Vito more to keep Desjardins happy

Then the decision to put Arcadi in charge started all the chaos. There’s no doubt Vito was bright but I also think he made his share of mistakes like all of them have but you don’t last as long as he did in this day and time and not be smart though so as Junior Soprano would say: “he’s one keen motherfucker”