Yes, thats not Maranzano. It was debunked by Rick and many other researchers and I think its some old singer or actor. I made the same mistake years ago.
You were right, that's actually a historical image of Rudy Valentino, reversed. This guy Thomas Hunt, writer, editor, and publisher of Informer Magazine, is full of shit and he never generated that image from a compilation of the Maranzano murder scene images. Kudos to Brooklyn's own Brazen Breeds for determining the origin of the image and collaborating with a computer artist to actually generate a computer image from a compilation of the Maranzano murder scene images. Like Thomas Hunt claimed too, fucking poser.
Thanks @CNote and you're completely right, and as I always say, dont spend your money on assumptions. Also thanks for the video since I already said that Brazen Breeds is one of the best youtubers out there. Btw, you can also check out my new and never released before article on Joey Aiuppa.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
i Guess NOBODY KNOWS WHY Calrabrians were called Camorrista
Yes we do and it was discussed million times in the past, which means that you have to go through all of the old posts.
Originally Posted by Turnbull
Interesting that Masseria and Maranzano were known as "Mustache Petes"--and neither wore a mustache.
To be honest, I always wondered the same thing lol lol even though I know that its just a slang for the older generation, like for example, in my former neighborhood where I grew up, we used to call the ol' timers "Egyptian mummies" or sometimes as "the vampires" Lol
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
Bravi were bandits under the control of signoritti di campagna, country land owners It sounds like the Ngrangheta was under the Camorra territory to be considered Camorristi but other then that I don’t see a Simple explanation
Lets try to identify all of the men in the picture....and pls tell me your thoughts....
(from left to right) Willie Heeney (or possibly Sam Hunt), allegedly Johnny Patton (on the window), Al Capone (100%), Rocco DeGrazia (100%) and "unknown" (possibly Frank LaPorte, Joe Lolordo or Louis LaCava)
Pictures of both Heeney and Hunt....
Heeney
Hunt
Conclusion: I dont know what to say because both man lookalike, but Ill personally go with Heeney
Picture of Johnny Patton...
Patton
Conclusion: Lots of resemblance between the two guys in both pictures and even though Im not quite sure, still Ill go with Patton.
The prime sources say that the "unknown" fella is allegedly Frank LaPorte, although even though it looks like him, Im still having second thoughts of either being one of Capone's former lieutenants Louis LaCava or maybe even Joseph Lolordo....
Louis LaCava
Joe Lolordo
Frank LaPorte
LaPorte
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
...in addition, the so-called "unknown" individual might be also Louis Clementi, a lieutenant for Lawrence Mangano and older brother of Patsy Clementi...
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
He became a made member of CN sometime around 1928 for Masseria, with the "power" to make his own ten made guys. By 1931 he was officially recognized as boss by Maranzano for Chicago's CN family.
When Maranzano came to the United States Capone called on him and told him that he respected him for who he was as head of the Mafia but that his control would not be recognized here and that he had to stay out of the affairs here
Since Unione Sicilone had non Sicilians,even Frankie Uale,a Calabrian as its head,was it a case like the mafia being Sicilian but eventually admitting other Italians to its membership
Or did the word Sicilione refer to the fact that Mainland Southern Italy and Sicily were at times all called the Kingdom of Sicily and at other times including right before Italy's Unification it was called the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies?
He became a made member of CN sometime around 1928 for Masseria, with the "power" to make his own ten made guys. By 1931 he was officially recognized as boss by Maranzano for Chicago's CN family.
When Maranzano came to the United States Capone called on him and told him that he respected him for who he was as head of the Mafia but that his control would not be recognized here and that he had to stay out of the affairs here
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
January 12, 1925 – North Siders riddled Capone’s car with bullets. Capone was not hit.
January 24, 1925 – North Siders Weiss, Vincent “The Schemer” Drucci and George “Bugs’ Moran, tried to kill Torrio before he went to prison; the gun failed, and they ran.
March 13, 1925 – Capone was trying to control the Unione Siciliana. His handpicked president Sam “Samoots” Amatuna, leading member of the Genna gang, was gunned down. It was believed the shooter was Drucci.
March 26, 1925 – The new Unione Siciliana president, “Bloody” Angelo Genna, was gunned down.
Mid April 1925 – Angelo Genna’s brother Mike was gunned down.
September 20, 1926 – Capone was shot at while having lunch at an Italian restaurant; he survived.
October 11, 1926 – “Little Hymie” Weiss was gunned down outside the same flower shop where O’Banion had been murdered almost two years before. Vincent Drucci now headed the North Side Gang.
April 4, 1927 – Drucci was gunned down by a police officer as they exchanged verbal assaults. Moran now headed up the North Side Gang.
Sometime in between – North Sider brothers Frank Gusenberg and Peter “Goosey” tried to knock off one of Capone’s top gunmen, “Machine Gun” Jack McGurn. They failed.
November 27, 1927 – Joe Aiello felt he earned the presidency of the Unione Siciliana; Capone had other ideas and made that perfectly clear when Aiello brothers Robert and Frank were gunned down.
July 1, 1928 – Frankie Yale, who had formed an alliance with Aiello, was visited by several of Capone’s men in New York. Yale didn’t survive.
January 8, 1929 – Joe Aiello and Bugs Moran paid a visit to the new Unione Siciliana President Antonio “The Scourge” Lombardo. A few shots later, the office of the President was again vacant.
February 14, 1929 – The key members of the North Side Gang were scheduled to meet at the SMC Cartage Company Garage. There was a traitor in the ranks and Moran wanted to discuss strategies with his men. Moran was running late due to a haircut; that haircut saved his life. While approaching the garage that morning, he saw a “police” car out front and retreated. Moran had no way of knowing that his men were being massacred in the very moments that he walked away.
Who actually shot the seven men that frigid February morning? No one will ever know for sure. The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre is one of the most notorious unsolved mysteries – a mystery that continue to fascinate people almost 100 years later.
Who actually shot the seven men that frigid February morning? No one will ever know for sure. The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre is one of the most notorious unsolved mysteries – a mystery that continue to fascinate people almost 100 years later.
Fred Burke, Fred Goetz, Gus Winkler and Ray Nugent, and they all allegedly received $5,000 payment for the job or around $90,000 in today's cash. Two months before the massacre, they bought a police Cadillac from an auto dealership on Irving Park Road, which previously belonged to Cook County Commissioner Frank Wilson. The guy that was sent to buy the car identified himself under a different name such as “James Morton (or Martin) of Los Angeles”, which in fact was Byron Bolton who in turn was a part of the lookout crew. They also bought another car, Peerless Sedan, under another false name “Frank Rogers” and the guy gave his address as 1859 W. North Avenue, which was a place just few doors behind the infamous Circus Café. Claude Maddox's associate Bob Carey drove the false police car with Burke and Goetz dressed as cops, while the second car was driven by Rocco Belcastro with the other two hitmen, Winkler and Nugent, dressed as civilians.
Tony Capezio, Joe Lolordo and Raymond Schulte were assigned as the cleanup crew to get rid of the evidences, such as the cars that were used in the hit. After the murders, Capezio made a mistake that nearly cost his life while cutting through the gas tank with the acetylene torch, and so a fire broke out and blew him to the ceiling, thus knocking him unconscious. The reason was that he forgot to empty the gas tank. This stunt earned Capezio’s nickname “Tough Tony" and several years later, bank robber Alvin Karpis, who was a close friend of Capezio's, confirmed this story to the cops. Lolordo was involved in the whole operation because of the murder of his brother Patsy Lolordo who in turn was allegedly killed by the Aiello/Moran gang.
Detroit's Purple gang were allegedly also involved in the conspiracy since one of their members, on February 1, 1929, allegedly called Moran and said that the shipment with booze was ready and will deliver it on February 14, 1929, Valentine’s Day. Moran assured the caller that he would be there with his crew to help unload the truck in the gang’s garage on 2122 North Clark Street. But as we already know, Moran was late and avoided his own death. Later, Goetz, Winkler, Nugent, Carey and Rocco Belcastro, all were killed by the Outfit under the new leadership of Paul Ricca and Louis Campagna, while Burke was visited in jail by the Outfit's "connection guy" Phil D'Andrea and was probably told to keep his mouth shut.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
He became a made member of CN sometime around 1928 for Masseria, with the "power" to make his own ten made guys. By 1931 he was officially recognized as boss by Maranzano for Chicago's CN family.
When Maranzano came to the United States Capone called on him and told him that he respected him for who he was as head of the Mafia but that his control would not be recognized here and that he had to stay out of the affairs here
The submitted about Capone calling on Maranzano and telling Maranzano that he would not be recognized and to mind his own business was taken from an article by Jack Anderson about the growth and spreading of the mafia here. Anderson says he got the info from secret Senate crime files . He says that out of respect Capone told Maranzano they'd pay him $2000 a week The article then says that Maranzano went into sort of a semi retirement until starting to thirst again for power. From that point on,Anderson's column mentions Maranzano calling for the banquet just as what you mention and subsequently what followed with him taking control until getting killed not long after
He became a made member of CN sometime around 1928 for Masseria, with the "power" to make his own ten made guys. By 1931 he was officially recognized as boss by Maranzano for Chicago's CN family.
When Maranzano came to the United States Capone called on him and told him that he respected him for who he was as head of the Mafia but that his control would not be recognized here and that he had to stay out of the affairs here
The submitted about Capone calling on Maranzano and telling Maranzano that he would not be recognized and to mind his own business was taken from an article by Jack Anderson about the growth and spreading of the mafia here. Anderson says he got the info from secret Senate crime files . He says that out of respect Capone told Maranzano they'd pay him $2000 a week The article then says that Maranzano went into sort of a semi retirement until starting to thirst again for power. From that point on,Anderson's column mentions Maranzano calling for the banquet just as what you mention and subsequently what followed with him taking control until getting killed not long after
Thats quite cool info and to be honest, I would love to read Anderson's article and the senate crime files.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
Who actually shot the seven men that frigid February morning? No one will ever know for sure. The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre is one of the most notorious unsolved mysteries – a mystery that continue to fascinate people almost 100 years later.
Fred Burke, Fred Goetz, Gus Winkler and Ray Nugent, and they all allegedly received $5,000 payment for the job or around $90,000 in today's cash. Two months before the massacre, they bought a police Cadillac from an auto dealership on Irving Park Road, which previously belonged to Cook County Commissioner Frank Wilson. The guy that was sent to buy the car identified himself under a different name such as “James Morton (or Martin) of Los Angeles”, which in fact was Byron Bolton who in turn was a part of the lookout crew. They also bought another car, Peerless Sedan, under another false name “Frank Rogers” and the guy gave his address as 1859 W. North Avenue, which was a place just few doors behind the infamous Circus Café. Claude Maddox's associate Bob Carey drove the false police car with Burke and Goetz dressed as cops, while the second car was driven by Rocco Belcastro with the other two hitmen, Winkler and Nugent, dressed as civilians.
Tony Capezio, Joe Lolordo and Raymond Schulte were assigned as the cleanup crew to get rid of the evidences, such as the cars that were used in the hit. After the murders, Capezio made a mistake that nearly cost his life while cutting through the gas tank with the acetylene torch, and so a fire broke out and blew him to the ceiling, thus knocking him unconscious. The reason was that he forgot to empty the gas tank. This stunt earned Capezio’s nickname “Tough Tony" and several years later, bank robber Alvin Karpis, who was a close friend of Capezio's, confirmed this story to the cops. Lolordo was involved in the whole operation because of the murder of his brother Patsy Lolordo who in turn was allegedly killed by the Aiello/Moran gang.
Detroit's Purple gang were allegedly also involved in the conspiracy since one of their members, on February 1, 1929, allegedly called Moran and said that the shipment with booze was ready and will deliver it on February 14, 1929, Valentine’s Day. Moran assured the caller that he would be there with his crew to help unload the truck in the gang’s garage on 2122 North Clark Street. But as we already know, Moran was late and avoided his own death. Later, Goetz, Winkler, Nugent, Carey and Rocco Belcastro, all were killed by the Outfit under the new leadership of Paul Ricca and Louis Campagna, while Burke was visited in jail by the Outfit's "connection guy" Phil D'Andrea and was probably told to keep his mouth shut.
Thanks Fred Burke I was aware of, the others are pretty obscure characters, Carey, Goetz, Winkler, Nugent, Schulte. If you said they were policemen I would believe you.
Who actually shot the seven men that frigid February morning? No one will ever know for sure. The Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre is one of the most notorious unsolved mysteries – a mystery that continue to fascinate people almost 100 years later.
Fred Burke, Fred Goetz, Gus Winkler and Ray Nugent, and they all allegedly received $5,000 payment for the job or around $90,000 in today's cash. Two months before the massacre, they bought a police Cadillac from an auto dealership on Irving Park Road, which previously belonged to Cook County Commissioner Frank Wilson. The guy that was sent to buy the car identified himself under a different name such as “James Morton (or Martin) of Los Angeles”, which in fact was Byron Bolton who in turn was a part of the lookout crew. They also bought another car, Peerless Sedan, under another false name “Frank Rogers” and the guy gave his address as 1859 W. North Avenue, which was a place just few doors behind the infamous Circus Café. Claude Maddox's associate Bob Carey drove the false police car with Burke and Goetz dressed as cops, while the second car was driven by Rocco Belcastro with the other two hitmen, Winkler and Nugent, dressed as civilians.
Tony Capezio, Joe Lolordo and Raymond Schulte were assigned as the cleanup crew to get rid of the evidences, such as the cars that were used in the hit. After the murders, Capezio made a mistake that nearly cost his life while cutting through the gas tank with the acetylene torch, and so a fire broke out and blew him to the ceiling, thus knocking him unconscious. The reason was that he forgot to empty the gas tank. This stunt earned Capezio’s nickname “Tough Tony" and several years later, bank robber Alvin Karpis, who was a close friend of Capezio's, confirmed this story to the cops. Lolordo was involved in the whole operation because of the murder of his brother Patsy Lolordo who in turn was allegedly killed by the Aiello/Moran gang.
Detroit's Purple gang were allegedly also involved in the conspiracy since one of their members, on February 1, 1929, allegedly called Moran and said that the shipment with booze was ready and will deliver it on February 14, 1929, Valentine’s Day. Moran assured the caller that he would be there with his crew to help unload the truck in the gang’s garage on 2122 North Clark Street. But as we already know, Moran was late and avoided his own death. Later, Goetz, Winkler, Nugent, Carey and Rocco Belcastro, all were killed by the Outfit under the new leadership of Paul Ricca and Louis Campagna, while Burke was visited in jail by the Outfit's "connection guy" Phil D'Andrea and was probably told to keep his mouth shut.
Thanks Fred Burke I was aware of, the others are pretty obscure characters, Carey, Goetz, Winkler, Nugent, Schulte. If you said they were policemen I would believe you.
Yes, two of them were DRESSED and ACTED as policemen, while the rest two hitmen were in civil clothes. First entered the "cops" and later the additional two hitmen. After the massacre, during a raid on a roadhouse in Forest Park, which was owned by the Capone gang, investigators found a police star with no. 65 that was issued to one D. Alzell, and it was quite strange because the two stars and two uniforms which were used in the hit, were missing. Later, the investigators raided another liquor depot on the North Side which was operated under the auspices of Claude Maddox and Danny Vallo. During the raid, on the wall of the garage the cops noticed a paper with the name, home address, telephone number of two police officers and also information where they might be reached at any hour of the day.
Besides professional hitmen being used in the hit, there was also huge corruption which largely contributed for the whole case to remain unsolved even today. You see, several months before the massacre, Capone called for a meeting at a house located on Cranberry Lake, six miles north of Couderay, Wisconsin. Present at the meeting were Frank Nitto, Louis Campagna, Fred Burke, Gus Winkler, Fred Goetz, First Ward Republican committeeman Daniel Serritella and North Side politician William Pacelli.
Originally Posted by Havana
To be honest,I'd love to show it to you,if I knew how to put it up here on the forum
Later Ill send you a pm and ill explain the process to you.
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
The first Sicilian mafia induction was reported in 1877, in the early American Mafia it were stricly sicilians who brought that with them early Camorra also had inductions but no idea if they held initiations in America.
Good points TD, I do believe corruption in police as well as in newspapers played a role how some events always remained a mystery.
Remember Lingle?
Alfred "Jake" Lingle (July 2, 1891 – June 9, 1930) was an American reporter for the Chicago Tribune. He was shot dead gangland-style in the underpass leading to the Illinois Central Randolph Street station on the afternoon on June 9, 1930, as dozens of people watched.[1][2] The man convicted of the murder was mob associate Leo Vincent Brothers.
Lingle was initially lionized as a martyred journalist, but it was eventually revealed that he was involved in racketeering with the Capone organization and that his death had more to do with his own criminal activities than his journalism.[1][3]
Good points TD, I do believe corruption in police as well as in newspapers played a role how some events always remained a mystery.
Remember Lingle?
Alfred "Jake" Lingle (July 2, 1891 – June 9, 1930) was an American reporter for the Chicago Tribune. He was shot dead gangland-style in the underpass leading to the Illinois Central Randolph Street station on the afternoon on June 9, 1930, as dozens of people watched.[1][2] The man convicted of the murder was mob associate Leo Vincent Brothers.
Lingle was initially lionized as a martyred journalist, but it was eventually revealed that he was involved in racketeering with the Capone organization and that his death had more to do with his own criminal activities than his journalism.[1][3]
Thats right and yeah, I remember the Lingle case. During the old days, the Outfit always has covered its "contracts" with corruption, which in fact used to be their license to kill. By the early 1990's they lost their protection, especially after the imprisonments of Alex, Marcy and Roti (FBI operations "Greylord" and "Gambat")
Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
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