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Queen of the Deuce
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The Chain-Smoking, Jewish Grandma Who Ruled ’70s NYC Porn QUEEN OF THE DEUCE “Queen of the Deuce” celebrates Chelly Wilson, a trailblazer who left Greece for NYC, built a pornography empire, and became “the most un-grandma person that anyone could have.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/obses...wish-grandma-who-ruled-70s-porn?ref=home
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Not a bad article but it really didn't give you the vibe in Times Square at the time.The Deuce in the Seventies, a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, you wouldn't find in all the universe. Peaking in depravity after 1977, when courts ruled that Al Goldsteins' Screw magazine could be displayed at newsstands in the city. Nothing better than walking with your Mom and little sister and seeing a cock spurting jizz on the cover next to the Daily News. The Mob was in deep into the sex racket in Times Square, from Ruby Stein, Mickey Zaffarano, Roy DeMeo, Richard Basciano, Robert DeBernardo and many others, all part of the hypocrisy of the honorable society. My mother got me a job at the Sheraton New York on 6th Ave and W52nd, '77, 78, 79 answering phones for the engineering department, whenever someone would request a refrigerator to be installed in their room. Sometimes, if I had to close and open the next morning, they would comp me a room overnight. I would look out my window towards Times Square, and think about heading over to the Deuce for some action, but I was too young and in over my head. I knew there lots of predators out there, and didn't want to risk it even though I could handle myself pretty well at 16. Here are two excellent articles about the Deuce sex operations in the grimy Seventies. https://www.therialtoreport.com/2016/02/07/navred-reef/https://www.therialtoreport.com/2018/12/16/phil-prince/
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The Deuce in the Seventies, a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, you wouldn't find in all the universe.
True. I worked near The Deuce '69 - '71, and even then it was it was a sewer of depravity. Much later, Disney moved in and cleaned it up. Anyone here seen the outstanding HBO series, "The Deuce"?
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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The Deuce in the Seventies, a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, you wouldn't find in all the universe.
True. I worked near The Deuce '69 - '71, and even then it was it was a sewer of depravity. Much later, Disney moved in and cleaned it up. Anyone here seen the outstanding HBO series, "The Deuce"? Ir was pretty good until the last season and they starting doing too much gay stuff like that bartender. That actress Maggie Gyllenhall was pretty good though.
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In Amsterdam there was a similar notorious area in the Red Light District called the Zeedijk. Scammers, brawlers, room renters, gamblers, whores , night porters, drug traffickers, pimps, alcoholics etc.. ![[Linked Image]](https://historiek.net/wp-content/uploads-phistor1/2021/09/kop-van-de-Zeedijk.jpg)
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The first article I posted the link to includes a Gemini Crew murder that isn't listed in Murder Machine or any list of DeMeo Crew murders. "As the demand for loops increased, Tom needed more help and gave work to Lloyd ‘Smitty’ Smith, a tall, hard-working guy from the West Indies who worked closely with Bill Luxe. Smitty lived around the corner from Tom on 48th Street above a bar called The Golden Oaks. Smitty often shot and edited films in his own apartment. Tom was known to be careful with his money, not to mention greedy at times, and this could cause problems for him. Smitty put together a one-day-wonder film for Tom, and was angry when Tom didn’t pay him. Smitty began making a lot of noise about the debt. Tom complained to Roy DeMeo and in such a small but highly profitable business, DeMeo didn’t want quarrels that would elicit unwanted attention. Any problems had to be snuffed out swiftly and efficiently. Bill Luxe, Smitty’s friend, remembers clearly what happened next: “Roy DeMeo came knocking at my door and said he knew Smitty was with me. He said Van der Feer worked for him and that I should tell Smitty not to go near Tom. I passed Roy’s message on to Smitty – and told him that coming from DeMeo it meant a threat. Smitty didn’t listen. He was a hot head and he went to Van der Feer’s place in Times Square, wrecked his studio and took a camera for the money Tom owed him. Next thing I heard was that Roy DeMeo had called Smitty out to the Gemini Lounge for a sit-down with Van der Feer. I talked to Smitty before he went out to the Gemini. He said he’d call and let me know what happened at the sit-down. That night my wife and I were up until after midnight waiting for Smitty to call, but he never got in touch. I was at the lab the next day and Roy was there. I asked how the sit-down went and was told, “Sit-down? What sit-down?” I knew not to ask too many questions, so I let it slide. That was the last anybody ever heard from Smitty. There was no doubt in my mind that Smitty got the Gemini treatment.” There was no police investigation into Smitty’s disappearance. Tom continued to make loops under the protection of DeMeo." https://www.therialtoreport.com/2016/02/07/navred-reef/
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