Hes a restaurant owner. That is all he is.

Spends 99% of his time making videos.

Why anyone would think anything else is nuts. Seriously!

What’s so hard to believe about it? There’s plenty of evidence that points towards being one, than not.

The guys with any substantial importance are not posting on social media everyday. I just don't see him being as important as some claim he is.

His main job is a restaurant owner, not some fuckin thug like the feds want to believe. He is the Artie Bucco of Chicago.

Toodoped can you chime in here? What are your thoughts?

I never claimed he was running the entire Outfit but he’s at minimum an on-record associate.

There’s plenty of made guys on social media so let’s not act like it’s the 50’s and this a secret society.

Also, he’s a convicted rapist…..

Lol true.

Similar thoughts as the previous poster, meaning Rovito is possibly "connected" but these days most people dont realize that when a mobster goes into legit business or businesses, it doesnt mean that all the money from that same biz goes in the pockets of the member or associate who owns that same operation, but instead all of the income is shared among the rest of the members like it was in the old days, meaning capos and bosses are probably still receiving envelopes from every legit or illegal scheme. The Outfit obviously still have street rackets according to the latest Gagliano case, but still most of them are involved in city contracts and legit enterprises, so it doesnt matter if today one crime family is completely illegal or completely semi-legit (obviously because they mainly receive city contracts through money donations to local politicians), since both the legal and illegal income is again divided between members of the brotherhood. For example, one member owns a restaurant and doesn't like to pay city taxes and bills, or wants to create a chain of restaurants, while another member has direct connection to some local politician, and so they combine their "skills" and after receiving the city contract, they divide the cash between them and probably also with the top leadership of the so-called brotherhood. Its a win-win situation, because if the illegal rackets are down, the organization can always relay on their legit income which in fact these days is far lucrative and mostly goes under the radar. Corruption will never die, especially in the city of Chicago and in fact, corruption is the real or original "birthright" of the Chi Outfit (not gambling) which still keeps it alive even today mostly through legit operations, followed by the illegal ones. So, this situation with the legal enterprises makes it quite hard to label someone as "connected" or not, but I personally believe that Rovito is somewhere in the middle.

Toodoped would you agree then that Gigi if involved, well then hes a white collar racket guy pretty much?

If involved..then yeah, probably. Altough some people and researchers like Scott B should watch out when they throw names out there since some might be completely innocent and they also might sue the shit out of him.

Agree 100%. They might go to his restaraunt but he’s mocked by everyone.

I agree as well. is he on record ..sure...is he the Jack Galione type....no i dont think so.....what about Gigi brother tho Andy.

He's a restaurant owner first and foremost. Which explains why he chooses to be so heavily involved on social media.

He may have a little history behind him of being associated with other associates, but there are many guys out there who can claim the same thing. Doesn't make them a mobster.

Thats right, and also everyone is talking about Vena or Solly D? These guys are legit...do they share the cash from their own and other legal businesses? I dunno maybe, but these fellas are not involved in crime for the last two decades, and by now not even one federal agent caught them taking envelopes, or talking incriminating suff, or sharing pizza with their whole hierarchy like the late DiFronzo did in front of the news. Again dont believe what those paying sites are saying, and again we should all watch out when we are throwing out names as possible Outfit members or leaders. Before the Gagliano case came up, nobody ever mentioned his scheme, nor "predicted" the case, which means that we might be surprised on who's who and on who controls what.

Once you get to retirement age, which I say is early 60s these guys for the most part do exactly that, RETIRE. They do not want anything to do with the LIFE anymore.

Its ok! They killed people, fucked people up to collect $$$ and when they are still a free man and can live out their Golden Years as just that well the LIFE is over.

I can’t and vote share details but that is 10000% not true in regards to Vena.

Thats your opinion but pls provide some hard evidence. If not, than stop creating fake news regarding certain people. Some people sound like those "sources" from the 1930s with headlines like "Humphreys succeeds Capone!"

I agree.

Thanks and in fact, your forum name reminded me of the case regarding Richards Bar when Vena's name was only mentioned but was never connected to any type of crime. Also, in all of the recent gambling cases which mostly involved West Side faces, again nobody mentioned Vena. So, until someone starts talking to the feds, speculation is the only thing we can do but again, we should do it carefully because there are innocent people out there being wrongfully labelled, just because some paying sites wants to make money. People are throwing "dirt" over names only because they are Italian and because of simple speculations, and also because of someone's history or family relations. That's obviously not good. I'm not a cop nor a mobster, but I "did my time" when I was younger and for the last 12 years or so my hobby is being a researcher who depends mostly on government info and also on info from informants. When was the last time someone saw Vena having meetings with other mobsters? 10 years ago? 15? 20? I really cant judge him anymore and I wont, until something new comes up.

Vena spends most his time at his horse farm in Northern Illinois and vacationing. If he conducts metings I'm sure they come to him like Hesh's place in the Sopranos or Johnny Sack.

He is spending his cash as any other former or retired racketeer, and right now for me personally he's just another "normal" senior citizen. I wonder if he receives some type of pension, too?! Back in the days many of them had multiple "no-show'" jobs and were probably listed on the pension fund....although I dont know the U.S. laws regarding pension funds and former convicts.....

Call it fake news or whatever the f)&@ you want but I know the truth and what happened.

It’s not my opinion in a figurative or literal sense, it’s fact.

Ok. Just one question, how can something be a "fact" for which we dont have any clue about what it is, and if it really exists? What's the "truth"? Just askin...no disrespect.

No disrespect (as you say) but even an 8 year old understand facts exist for lots of things one doesnt have knowledge of.

You said Vena hasn’t been involved in crimes for over two decades.

I stand by my statement that it is 10000% wrong. I know the facts to disprove that.

Since said facts are not public and never will be, I’ll keep it that way.

I have zero reason to make this up. If I did, I’d make up some crazy story about him.

this is veering into interesting territory now. have we entered the quantum world? a good question TD one that concerning the outfit always needs to asked. or concerning anything really.

Lol and yeah its a simple question, but as you can see im allegedly younger than 8 year old since I allegedly still dont understand those stuff lol



Ok.

a thought...

i have found over the years and topics on this forum a disconnect between past mafia families and there structure, membership, territory etc. and present day mafia groups. as i have said in the past there is nothing wrong with having an interest only in older mafia families as per say ny mafia. well researched and thought out full of good info and pics, those at ny mafia do a great job. or like TD and his continuing free articles about past leaders, crews and rackets on the chicago outfit, just great stuff. some members dabble in a bit of both, myself at this point in time try to keep track of present day mafia families, to each their own. the problems sometimes arise when we think of these families as static unchanging organizations and assume that what was true in 1950 still holds true today. that some families continue to have influence in all the same territory and rackets with a fixed membership and are aligned with same crime groups if applicable.

the mafia families or crime groups that did operate in this fashion (static, unchanging etc) are, like any animal species who did not evolve...gone. the few that remain have thus far adapted enough to still be here in 2024. to try to compare past historical mafias and present day is like asking who was a better hitter, TY COBB or ICHIRO? gretzky or crosby? these sports arguments are forever pointless in trying to compare players from vastly different eras in time. same for mafia families and the like, compare 1960s era HA that HUNTER S THOMPSON wrote about with present day HA in montreal. its not possible they are so different, even the california HA in 2024 are different. it is at times difficult to accomplish this i know. we all want to be the first to get a good piece of info that no other member has stumbled onto yet, have the most accurate up to date charts and lists. however i think for accuracy it unfortunately takes time for any good confirmed info to come out. at this point in time alot of good intell has come out across the board on many crime groups but what i dont see is any correction on charts or lists to resolve this.

but what a task to resolve. i wouldnt wish it on anyone even if they could. is rovito an associate, a member the boss? who knows. only time and arrests will tell the truth or not. but important to recognize that what constitutes an outfit associate today more than likely has changed since the days of gus alex, lenny patrick and murray humphreys. the outfit continues to frustrate most researchers, this one included, i think because it has changed many times how it operates and continues to change even in 2024. what was once a mostly criminal organization numbering in the hundreds with criminal rackets spanning the globe has become a chicago based group that has a larger percentage of income from legal means, possibly and looking for rackets damn near anywhere it can find them to survive criminally.

i would also like to recommend to new members or current ones to really utilize the search function on this forum. it can be a good resource to find answers to oft asked questions. instead of posting them and because said questions have been asked alot not always getting very good answers.

thks for the rope, off to cool down in pool, enjoy the weekend folks.

Great points @V and salut'

Guy just comes across as a showman, just because he has an Italian heritage doesn't mean he's connected.

+1

The average person stereotypes Gigi as a connected guy because he's Italian and owns a restaurant which is frequented by some actual members of the Outift.

Plus the report of him taking payment to break someones legs a few years ago in the George Brown case.

When in fact Gigi didn't really have anything to do with that to begin with.