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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096579
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Is that ALOT ?

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096582
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@bronx

Tommy Lucchese was boss for 16 years or so? He's no-where near the guys I've mentioned "BUT"... We can say that he was #1/or /2 of the Gagiliano/Lucchese leadership from 1931 till 1967 until he died of cancer. That's 36 years or so.

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So I'm spot on that Barney has been basically the #1/#1B guy of the Genovese family for over 30 years?


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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Zavattoni] #1096583
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Originally Posted by Zavattoni
@bronx

Tommy Lucchese was boss for 16 years or so? He's no-where near the guys I've mentioned "BUT"... We can say that he was #1/or /2 of the Gagiliano/Lucchese leadership from 1931 till 1967 until he died of cancer. That's 36 years or so.

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So I'm spot on that Barney has been basically the #1/#1B guy of the Genovese family for over 30 years?



Zavattoni,

I'm not sure Barney was a top guy, "the" top guy for that long (he may have been,) but he certainly has been at the upper tier of power and one of their leaders for decades already. (I'd have to track his chronology to speak with any certainty.)

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096622
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Both Zerilli and Tocco were also long term bosses, I believe that's the reason Detroit became so succesful and set up their off spring pretty well financially.


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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Hollander] #1096630
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Both Zerilli and Tocco were also long term bosses, I believe that's the reason Detroit became so succesful and set up their off spring pretty well financially.


No doubt about it. Both those fellas did very well for themselves and had a tremendous run.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096631
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You think Vic Amuso was a Bad Choice despite he was Only
On the Street 4-5 years and has been Running the Family from the CAN for 30 Years ?

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Butchie1788] #1096635
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Originally Posted by Butchie1788
You think Vic Amuso was a Bad Choice despite he was Only
On the Street 4-5 years and has been Running the Family from the CAN for 30 Years ?


To be truthful about it. I think...I know...that Amuso was a horrible choice. He and that fucking rat Casso were the equivalent of two hand grenades being thrown into the Lucchese Family's living room.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096638
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I believe Frank Balistrieri was boss of the Milwaukee mob for ~30 years.


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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Turnbull] #1096641
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
I believe Frank Balistrieri was boss of the Milwaukee mob for ~30 years.


Lol. Its's funny you mentioned him. You took the words right out of my mouth....I was just contemplating other guys who had a long run and he came to mind.

And, no doubt about it, I do believe you're right, Turnbull. Balistrieri had a good long run at the top also.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096645
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I wouldint say Vic was a Bad Choice cause he Put in Work and started from the Bottom Casso was a Psychotic Who Was Brash Loud Mouthed Money Hungry and Vic was a Quiet But Deadly Guy and I think he Came up the Ranks like a Gangster is suppose to he Waited for his Posistions and I think Casso Fucked with Vic’s Head and got in to his HEAD and Brain Washed him and I Believe to this day when Vic went to go thst PayPhone in the Poconos thst Casso tipped of the FEDS

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096657
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I agree, somewhat. Vic put in work, no doubt. But so did Casso. But as ballsy as Vic was, he was not a sharp guy. Because if he was, he would never have allowed a guy control him the way Casso did.

Solid soldier, probably a good capo. But Amuso was NOT boss material. No way, no how. IMO, he couldn't carry the jock strap of guys like a Tommy Lucchese or Tony Ducks, etc., if his life depended on it. Vic had no sophistication about him at all. And he didn't understand the "finer" points of more advanced rackets, or even the true fundamentals of Cosa Nostra itself for that matter.

.....and many knowledgable street guys, on the sneak of course, feel the same way.

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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096659
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Francis Colacurcio Sr. in Seattle, Washington.had a good run from the 40s till his death in July 2, 2010 (aged 93).


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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096661
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I see what your saying but for a Guy not too
Be Boss material he’s Still running the Family from the CAN and all
Of his Guys who did over 20 Yesrs are in the Top Posistions as we SPEAK the Problem with Vic is that yeah he Made the mistake of letting Gaspipe Fuck with his Head and should’ve known better but he Listened to his Underboss in kinda the same way Gotti listened to Sammy’s Lying Blabbering Mouth

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096668
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I mean? Who was the better choice then Amuso?

He was in his 50's.. He had put in a ton of work....He was close with Christy Tick Furnari who was in the administration.

All of Corallo's rivals were either dead; locked up; or side-lined...

You did have a few guys who could have done better then Amuso though; Mike Salerno; Aniello Migliore and Sal Avellino comes to mind.

Do anyone else agree?

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Hollander] #1096679
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Francis Colacurcio Sr. in Seattle, Washington.had a good run from the 40s till his death in July 2, 2010 (aged 93).


I don't know that much about him, but yes, I think he did earn well for many years.

The only thing about Colacurcio is that he was not a mob guy per se, and certainly not a Mafia boss. He was an independent schemer, who just happened to be Italian, who mostly ran prostitution rackets.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096680
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Carlos Marcello was the boss of New Orleans, Louisiana, from approximately 1947, until at least the mid-1980s when he was jailed and began suffering the effects of Alzheimer’s Disease, at which time he stepped down. He died in 1993.

Thats a 40+ year run at the top as Family boss!

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096685
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I believe Frank Balistrieri was boss of the Milwaukee mob for ~30 years.


Lol. Its's funny you mentioned him. You took the words right out of my mouth....I was just contemplating other guys who had a long run and he came to mind.

And, no doubt about it, I do believe you're right, Turnbull. Balistrieri had a good long run at the top also.

According to a recent article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel newspaper, Balestrieri graduated from Marquette University and attended their law school.

He must have read the Godfather novel: Vito, after learning that Sonny had pulled off a two-bit payroll robbery, tells him, "Don't you want to become a lawyer? A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns."


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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Turnbull] #1096688
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
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I believe Frank Balistrieri was boss of the Milwaukee mob for ~30 years.


Lol. Its's funny you mentioned him. You took the words right out of my mouth....I was just contemplating other guys who had a long run and he came to mind.

And, no doubt about it, I do believe you're right, Turnbull. Balistrieri had a good long run at the top also.

According to a recent article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel newspaper, Balestrieri graduated from Marquette University and attended their law school.

He must have read the Godfather novel: Vito, after learning that Sonny had pulled off a two-bit payroll robbery, tells him, "Don't you want to become a lawyer? A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns."


We're they speaking about Frank Sr. graduating from Marquette University, or his son? I believe I read that at least one of his sons was a licensed attorney.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096720
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I believe that New England’s Raymond Patriarca Sr., was Family boss from 1950s, through the time of his death, in 1984.


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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096749
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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: Turnbull] #1096760
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Originally Posted by Turnbull


Very interesting article. Not only because it explained that Frank Balistrieri Sr. had graduated college and had even attended law school. (something I had never heard before,) But because it contained many other interesting tidbits about his life.

Aside from Balistrieri, with the exception of California boss Frank DeSimone, I can't think of any other Family boss who was a college graduate. Especially among the "old-timers"

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096762
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Jack Tocco and I believe Anthony Zerilli were each college grads.

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Originally Posted by Ben54
Jack Tocco and I believe Anthony Zerilli were each college grads.


Yes, you're right. I completely forgot about those two.

There's also probably a few more out there who went to college. But DeSimone was the only one I remembered.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1096777
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Giovanni "John the Eagle" Riggi also 35 years at the top 1980-2015.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Giovanni "John the Eagle" Riggi also 35 years at the top 1980-2015.


Yes, you're correct. Riggi definitely falls into this category. He was also a long serving boss. Especially for the modern era.

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How bout Rosario "Russ" Bufalino? He was a boss for over 30 years. And served for a decade as the Family's official underboss before that.

He had a very long run also

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Although its debatable, if, and just how criminally active, the “Carlo Caputo Family” of Cosa Nostra, based in Madison, Wisconsin was throughout the decades of their existence. Nonetheless, its acknowledged leader, boss Carlo Caputo himself, remained that borgata’s recognized “Representante” for almost a half-century.

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Kind of off topic; but would Joe Magliocco be the longest serving underboss in LCN history (New York)?

He served as underboss from 1928/1931 to 1962.

That's over 30 years as the underboss of a powerful NYC family.

And then got bumped to "Boss" in 1962.

He's had been at at the #2 spot for over 30 years and boss for 1 year or so.

That's longevity.. and no one can stake his claim....

But Tommy Lucchese served as underboss for Tom Gagliano for 20+ years (depends when Gagliano died).. and then Tommy Lucchese was boss for atlast 15 years before he died of cancer.

Tommy Lucchese had a 35+year reign (give or take) as #1 and #2 of the Gagliano/Lucchese family.. That's unheard of...

Both Joe Magliocco and Tommy Lucchese were at top of their respective family in the #1 or #2 spot for over 30 year's. No one else can say that.

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Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: NYMafia] #1097001
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Frank Caruso Sr. in Chicago. That guy may be running the family entirely.

Re: The Longest Serving Family Boss… [Re: RushStreet] #1097002
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Originally Posted by RushStreet
Frank Caruso Sr. in Chicago. That guy may be running the family entirely.


If he is indeed the boss? How long has he "allegedly" been boss?

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