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Chicago family photo chart, November 1993 #1101650
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Note:
• This is a rough membership chart created based on information from the redacted 1993 lists, 1985 list and other sources – accuracy is probably limited
• For this time period, the FBI were notably identifying Joseph Aiuppa as the consigliere and John Cerone as the underboss, despite both being in prison
• In June 1993, John Monteleone was identified as the underboss, possibly linked to him managing family activities throughout the indictments
• Some members might’ve been incarcerated, others incarcerated at different prisons than what is listed, different release dates etc.
• There were possibly acting captains or replacements for those that were in prison/elderly


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Is this your research and design, Joe?

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If it is your work, I just wanted to complement you. I like it.

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By 1993, Angie LaPietra was already rotting in prison. His crew was inherited by his brother Jimmy and after his death, it was up to Toots Caruso.

Again, by the end of 1993 Infelise didnt have the time or space to direct the Cicero crew obviously because he was going to jail. Spano Sr was his successor.

Al Pilotto was already in jail since 1982/83 and his crew was first inherited by Dom Palermo, and later by Al Tocco. After Toccos imprisonment, Palermo was bought back as leader of the Chi Heights crew.

I also see some other different stuff but above all, nice chart.


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Originally Posted by NYMafia
If it is your work, I just wanted to complement you. I like it.

Yes I made the graphic, glad you like the design
Originally Posted by Toodoped
By 1993, Angie LaPietra was already rotting in prison. His crew was inherited by his brother Jimmy and after his death, it was up to Toots Caruso.

Again, by the end of 1993 Infelise didnt have the time or space to direct the Cicero crew obviously because he was going to jail. Spano Sr was his successor.

Al Pilotto was already in jail since 1982/83 and his crew was first inherited by Dom Palermo, and later by Al Tocco. After Toccos imprisonment, Palermo was bought back as leader of the Chi Heights crew.

I also see some other different stuff but above all, nice chart.

Yeah, the captains are just straight from the FBI lists so they would not be too accurate when it comes to the actual crews


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[quote=NYMafia]If it is your work, I just wanted to complement you. I like it.

Yes I made the graphic, glad you like the design
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JoeP, I especially like the format that encapsulates each subject with a bit of personal biographical info...I enjoy the "Valachi" styled format. It harkens back to the original 1963 FBI charts produced at the U.S. Senate Committee Hearings of that time.

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by joepuzzles234
[quote=NYMafia]If it is your work, I just wanted to complement you. I like it.

Yes I made the graphic, glad you like the design
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JoeP, I especially like the format that encapsulates each subject with a bit of personal biographical info...I enjoy the "Valachi" styled format. It harkens back to the original 1963 FBI charts produced at the U.S. Senate Committee Hearings of that time.



JoePuzzles,

I don't know if you've ever seen the extensive pictorial hierarchy chart I created for the old, "traditional" Chicago Outfit --- focusing on when the Outfit was at its peak --- but since I know you love your charts, if you haven't already done so, please visit our website and take a look. I think you'll really appreciate the design work and historical research involved in it.

If you're interested, I'll see if Lisa can make that particular chart free for your viewing, ok?

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Originally Posted by joepuzzles234

Yeah, the captains are just straight from the FBI lists so they would not be too accurate when it comes to the actual crews



Thats true. Also, this chart is only about made guys, right?

Btw, I also think that guys like D'Arco and Giovenco were completely out of the game by that time, same as Roti and Marcy.




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Originally Posted by NYMafia

JoeP, I especially like the format that encapsulates each subject with a bit of personal biographical info...I enjoy the "Valachi" styled format. It harkens back to the original 1963 FBI charts produced at the U.S. Senate Committee Hearings of that time.

Yeah, those are also pretty cool but very time-consuming to put together. I tried to make a Valachi-style graphic for the Colorado family c. 1950 at one point. Not sure if I posted it here before

Originally Posted by NYMafia

JoePuzzles,

I don't know if you've ever seen the extensive pictorial hierarchy chart I created for the old, "traditional" Chicago Outfit --- focusing on when the Outfit was at its peak --- but since I know you love your charts, if you haven't already done so, please visit our website and take a look. I think you'll really appreciate the design work and historical research involved in it.

If you're interested, I'll see if Lisa can make that particular chart free for your viewing, ok?

I've seen the San Jose chart from your website, I think that page was free at one point. I don't have a subscription, so I don't think I've seen your Chicago stuff before

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Originally Posted by joepuzzles234

Yeah, the captains are just straight from the FBI lists so they would not be too accurate when it comes to the actual crews



Thats true. Also, this chart is only about made guys, right?

Btw, I also think that guys like D'Arco and Giovenco were completely out of the game by that time, same as Roti and Marcy.

Yes, just a total membership chart - so that would include the elderly/inactive like the guys you list there


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Oh, ok.

Btw why is Aiuppa placed as soldier and also I think we have info that Vena was allegedly made during the late 80s?


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Originally Posted by joepuzzles234
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JoeP, I especially like the format that encapsulates each subject with a bit of personal biographical info...I enjoy the "Valachi" styled format. It harkens back to the original 1963 FBI charts produced at the U.S. Senate Committee Hearings of that time.

Yeah, those are also pretty cool but very time-consuming to put together. I tried to make a Valachi-style graphic for the Colorado family c. 1950 at one point. Not sure if I posted it here before

Originally Posted by NYMafia

JoePuzzles,

I don't know if you've ever seen the extensive pictorial hierarchy chart I created for the old, "traditional" Chicago Outfit --- focusing on when the Outfit was at its peak --- but since I know you love your charts, if you haven't already done so, please visit our website and take a look. I think you'll really appreciate the design work and historical research involved in it.

If you're interested, I'll see if Lisa can make that particular chart free for your viewing, ok?

I've seen the San Jose chart from your website, I think that page was free at one point. I don't have a subscription, so I don't think I've seen your Chicago stuff before
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Joe, this is the first time that I'm seeing this Colorado chart you created.

But, I can tell you one thing, I absolutely love it. THIS is great work. (and in the vein of the type of charts I love to create myself.)

I especially like some of the little touches you included, such as the "map" depicting their territory, and the bio info included, as well as the "associates" chart inserted.

As you know, 99.9999% of the time, you will never see a chart that also includes the list of associates. Its always just the "reputed" made guys that are listed. ---- It takes a lot more time and much deeper research to put together, but I think it makes all the difference in the world as to the quality and accuracy of the chart --- (I always make it a point to focus on, and include, the associates as well on any chart I create.)

Bravo to you, Joe! For a job that I feel was very well done!

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Originally Posted by Toodoped
Oh, ok.

Btw why is Aiuppa placed as soldier and also I think we have info that Vena was allegedly made during the late 80s?

Conflicting accounts as to Aiuppa's position from what I could find. Per the notes on the original post, he was identified as the consigliere by the FBI but at the same time they carried Jack Cerone as the underboss, so I decided just to list him as a soldier with the "fake" redaction to indicate a probable but unknown consigliere

Not sure when Vena became a member, it is possible his name is on the one of the 1993 lists but is redacted


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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by joepuzzles234
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JoeP, I especially like the format that encapsulates each subject with a bit of personal biographical info...I enjoy the "Valachi" styled format. It harkens back to the original 1963 FBI charts produced at the U.S. Senate Committee Hearings of that time.

Yeah, those are also pretty cool but very time-consuming to put together. I tried to make a Valachi-style graphic for the Colorado family c. 1950 at one point. Not sure if I posted it here before

Originally Posted by NYMafia

JoePuzzles,

I don't know if you've ever seen the extensive pictorial hierarchy chart I created for the old, "traditional" Chicago Outfit --- focusing on when the Outfit was at its peak --- but since I know you love your charts, if you haven't already done so, please visit our website and take a look. I think you'll really appreciate the design work and historical research involved in it.

If you're interested, I'll see if Lisa can make that particular chart free for your viewing, ok?

I've seen the San Jose chart from your website, I think that page was free at one point. I don't have a subscription, so I don't think I've seen your Chicago stuff before
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Joe, this is the first time that I'm seeing this Colorado chart you created.

But, I can tell you one thing, I absolutely love it. THIS is great work. (and in the vein of the type of charts I love to create myself.)

I especially like some of the little touches you included, such as the "map" depicting their territory, and the bio info included, as well as the "associates" chart inserted.

As you know, 99.9999% of the time, you will never see a chart that also includes the list of associates. Its always just the "reputed" made guys that are listed. ---- It takes a lot more time and much deeper research to put together, but I think it makes all the difference in the world as to the quality and accuracy of the chart --- (I always make it a point to focus on, and include, the associates as well on any chart I create.)

Bravo to you, Joe! For a job that I feel was very well done!







The only thing is that I cannot expand the chart large enough to read all the little minutia that you put in there that I'd like to see. Joe, is it possible for you to email me at ButtonGuys which would allow me to increase the size some more?

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Originally Posted by NYMafia

The only thing is that I cannot expand the chart large enough to read all the little minutia that you put in there that I'd like to see. Joe, is it possible for you to email me at ButtonGuys which would allow me to increase the size some more?

Yeah unfortunately sometimes the ImgBB UI is buggy, I've emailed the image to the staff contact address on your website


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Originally Posted by joepuzzles234
Originally Posted by NYMafia

The only thing is that I cannot expand the chart large enough to read all the little minutia that you put in there that I'd like to see. Joe, is it possible for you to email me at ButtonGuys which would allow me to increase the size some more?

Yeah unfortunately sometimes the ImgBB UI is buggy, I've emailed the image to the staff contact address on your website


Yes, I saw it. Thank you. I'm looking forward to go over the chart more closely a little later on in the day.

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Thanks for sharing that. That's very interesting.

I find it interesting that Chicago always organized its crews on a geographical basis and that it still stands today.

That geographical thing is not as relevant with the other families. I don't know what works the best but i'd say it's also a smart move to have a limited number of crews. I feel the logic of "less crews but stronger crews" is much more efficient for a mob family than having many light crews.

I mean you see some families where everybody and their mother is an acting capo with one or two guys under him. That's not the point of a crew. A crew should be a smaller version of a Family with a lot of power, money making abilities and enforcing capabilities.

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Very interesting, really enjoyed the chart. One question, anyone know how many of these guys still around and their status?

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by joepuzzles234
[quote=NYMafia]
JoeP, I especially like the format that encapsulates each subject with a bit of personal biographical info...I enjoy the "Valachi" styled format. It harkens back to the original 1963 FBI charts produced at the U.S. Senate Committee Hearings of that time.

Yeah, those are also pretty cool but very time-consuming to put together. I tried to make a Valachi-style graphic for the Colorado family c. 1950 at one point. Not sure if I posted it here before

Originally Posted by NYMafia

JoePuzzles,

I don't know if you've ever seen the extensive pictorial hierarchy chart I created for the old, "traditional" Chicago Outfit --- focusing on when the Outfit was at its peak --- but since I know you love your charts, if you haven't already done so, please visit our website and take a look. I think you'll really appreciate the design work and historical research involved in it.

If you're interested, I'll see if Lisa can make that particular chart free for your viewing, ok?

I've seen the San Jose chart from your website, I think that page was free at one point. I don't have a subscription, so I don't think I've seen your Chicago stuff before
---



Joe, this is the first time that I'm seeing this Colorado chart you created.

But, I can tell you one thing, I absolutely love it. THIS is great work. (and in the vein of the type of charts I love to create myself.)

I especially like some of the little touches you included, such as the "map" depicting their territory, and the bio info included, as well as the "associates" chart inserted.

As you know, 99.9999% of the time, you will never see a chart that also includes the list of associates. Its always just the "reputed" made guys that are listed. ---- It takes a lot more time and much deeper research to put together, but I think it makes all the difference in the world as to the quality and accuracy of the chart --- (I always make it a point to focus on, and include, the associates as well on any chart I create.)

Bravo to you, Joe! For a job that I feel was very well done!







The only thing is that I cannot expand the chart large enough to read all the little minutia that you put in there that I'd like to see. Joe, is it possible for you to email me at ButtonGuys which would allow me to increase the size some more?



I've been reviewing --- and enjoying --- your chart for Colorado.

There are definitely some names you listed (a few soldiers, but mostly crew associates) that I've never heard about before (kudos on that.)

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Originally Posted by majicrat
Very interesting, really enjoyed the chart. One question, anyone know how many of these guys still around and their status?

There are a few guys from this list still around - others here can give a better idea about all the details

Rough overview:
Frank Caruso - captain
Albert Vena - admin?
Michael Sarno - incarcerated
Michael Spano - inactive
Robert Bellavia - inactive?
John Matassa - admin?
Nicholas Guzzino - possibly deceased/inactive
Rocco Lombardo - inactive
James Marcello - IPL
Michael Talarico - shelved?
Michael Magnafichi - shelved
Bruno Caruso - active?
Salvatore Cataudella - admin

Originally Posted by NYMafia

I've been reviewing --- and enjoying --- your chart for Colorado.

There are definitely some names you listed (a few soldiers, but mostly crew associates) that I've never heard about before (kudos on that.)

Yeah Colorado is an interesting family, particularly during that sort of time period - a few old timers from the conflicts still around, Smaldones are clearly established, newer guys coming up etc.


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