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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/10/25 09:32 AM
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I was afraid you were going to tell us that Tony B. was mobbed up... Lol. No, not to my knowledge. But coming from Astoria, Queens he knew all the guys over the years and played in many of their places. So he was obviously very friendly with them. Coincidentally, the Scarpinito bio we just put up has one of the earliest known photos of Tony Bennett as a young up-and-coming crooner. He's sitting right next to mafioso Joe Scarpinito and other members of Scarpinito's crew.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
[Re: NinettaBagarella]
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04/10/25 03:19 PM
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Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk
Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello
I believe had to change their names? Here's some more... Singers... Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli Perry Como's was born Peter Costello Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr. Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto Actors... Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia James Darren was James Ercolani Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia ....The list is never-ending.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
[Re: Hollander]
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04/10/25 07:10 PM
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Frank Costello was born Francesco Castiglia. Charlie Luciano was born Salvatore Lucania. Castiglia sound more bad ass. I would never change my surname into Irish lol.  I agree. But we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success. So there was a method to his madness. And he wasn't the only one to realize the potential advantage to an "Irish" surname. Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/10/25 11:21 PM
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we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.
Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.
This also applied to professional boxing: In the early years of the last century, Irish were the "underdogs," so a lot of Eastern and Central European fighters with names that ended in "cz" or "ski" went into the ring calling themselves "Battling Ryan" or "KId Murphy," etc. In the Thirties, Jews were the underdogs, so some fighters built their public persona around being "Jewish." Case in point: Max Baer, a German Catholic, always wore trunks with a Jewish Star embroidered on them. Ray Arcel, the legendary trainer, once said, "I seen that guy in the shower--believe me, he ain't no Jew." 
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
[Re: NYMafia]
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04/11/25 04:07 AM
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Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk
Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello
I believe had to change their names? Here's some more... Singers... Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli Perry Como's was born Peter Costello Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr. Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto Actors... Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia James Darren was James Ercolani Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia ....The list is never-ending. Also Stven Tyler is Stefano Tallarico.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/11/25 06:53 AM
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Yes NYM I believe it came from Boxing Irish monikers were very popular back in those days. Absolutely. But the boxing profession was not the genesis for Italians adopting Irish sounding names. The larger, overall reason why this occurred was Italians attempting to gain acceptance into larger American society; politics, big business, the entertainment industry, sports etc. The sport of boxing was just one category where this phenomena was applied. If you remember, I created dozens and dozens of quizzes and challenges for members of our forum about Italian mobsters adopting anglicized nicknames. Many members of the Jewish mob also took these types of nicknames. In fact, a perfect example about what we're discussing here is the Italian mobster who this actual thread was started for... Giuseppe (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito was a top Brooklyn-based Italian mobster, who adopted the ring name of Joe Tobin during his professional boxing career. He later carried his Irish "ring" name forward, using it as his underworld moniker throughout his career and lifetime. The surname "Tobin" is -- in fact -- an Irish last name.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/11/25 07:22 AM
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Actor Burt Young was born Gerald Tommaso DeLouise
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/11/25 09:34 AM
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we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.
Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.
This also applied to professional boxing: In the early years of the last century, Irish were the "underdogs," so a lot of Eastern and Central European fighters with names that ended in "cz" or "ski" went into the ring calling themselves "Battling Ryan" or "KId Murphy," etc. In the Thirties, Jews were the underdogs, so some fighters built their public persona around being "Jewish." Case in point: Max Baer, a German Catholic, always wore trunks with a Jewish Star embroidered on them. Ray Arcel, the legendary trainer, once said, "I seen that guy in the shower--believe me, he ain't no Jew." Interesting TB it was indeed the golden era for Jewish boxers, they won something like 27 world titles between the start of the century and WWII.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/11/25 09:47 AM
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we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.
Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.
This also applied to professional boxing: In the early years of the last century, Irish were the "underdogs," so a lot of Eastern and Central European fighters with names that ended in "cz" or "ski" went into the ring calling themselves "Battling Ryan" or "KId Murphy," etc. In the Thirties, Jews were the underdogs, so some fighters built their public persona around being "Jewish." Case in point: Max Baer, a German Catholic, always wore trunks with a Jewish Star embroidered on them. Ray Arcel, the legendary trainer, once said, "I seen that guy in the shower--believe me, he ain't no Jew." Interesting TB it was indeed the golden era for Jewish boxers, they won something like 27 world titles between the start of the century and WWII. Absolutely. Hence the term, "tough Jews"
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/11/25 06:56 PM
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Interesting book https://www.amazon.com/When-Boxing-Was-Jewish-Sport/dp/027595353XAmong the first Champions would be Dutch Sam. Samuel Elias, better known as the Dutch Sam, was a professional boxing pioneer, active between 1801 and 1814. Known as the hardest hitter of his time, he earned the nickname "The Man with the Iron Hand". He was also known as "The Terrible Jew", referring to his Jewish heritage.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/11/25 08:54 PM
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Yes NYM I believe it came from Boxing Irish monikers were very popular back in those days. Absolutely. But the boxing profession was not the genesis for Italians adopting Irish sounding names. The larger, overall reason why this occurred was Italians attempting to gain acceptance into larger American society; politics, big business, the entertainment industry, sports etc. The sport of boxing was just one category where this phenomena was applied. If you remember, I created dozens and dozens of quizzes and challenges for members of our forum about Italian mobsters adopting anglicized nicknames. Many members of the Jewish mob also took these types of nicknames. In fact, a perfect example about what we're discussing here is the Italian mobster who this actual thread was started for... Giuseppe (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito was a top Brooklyn-based Italian mobster, who adopted the ring name of Joe Tobin during his professional boxing career. He later carried his Irish "ring" name forward, using it as his underworld moniker throughout his career and lifetime. The surname "Tobin" is -- in fact -- an Irish last name. The Genovese Family’s Joseph (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito: The Boss of Downtown Brooklyn https://thenewyorkmafia.com/the-gen...carpinito-the-boss-of-downtown-brooklyn/
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
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04/12/25 11:26 AM
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Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk
Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello
I believe had to change their names? Here's some more... Singers... Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli Perry Como's was born Peter Costello Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr. Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto Actors... Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia James Darren was James Ercolani Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia ....The list is never-ending. Wow! Thanks! That’s wild, Nikki Styxx wtf lol. Why do they have to do that? White Trash envy, just like the Kennedy Family, as well as all the bikers in Canada, and everything white trash comparable.
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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F.
[Re: NinettaBagarella]
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04/14/25 06:57 AM
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Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk
Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello
I believe had to change their names? Here's some more... Singers... Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli Perry Como's was born Peter Costello Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr. Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto Actors... Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia James Darren was James Ercolani Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia ....The list is never-ending. Wow! Thanks! That’s wild, Nikki Styxx wtf lol. Why do they have to do that? White Trash envy, just like the Kennedy Family, as well as all the bikers in Canada, and everything white trash comparable. You're very welcome, NinettaBagarella
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