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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by Don Zaluchi: [b]Ladri di biciclette / The Bicycle Thief (1948) Vittorio De Sica / Italy 9/10 (I switched from stars to numbers :p ) A bit slow at the start but it more than makes up for it in the final twenty minutes. Raw Emotion is the only way to describe this film. A gem of Italian Neorealism, shot on a shoestring budget with non-professional actors, the experience is amazing. [/b] I'm glad you enjoyed this movie. Raw emotion, that's right!  And if you are interested in Italian Neorealism, I'd suggest you "Rome, Open City" (by Roberto Rossellini, 1946). Oh, and another "must see" by Vittorio De Sica is definitely "Umberto D."
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by svsg: [b]Mulholland Drive Didn't understand a single bit. Is this supposed to be like modern art, where no one understands, but everyone pretends to appreciate it, just to avoid looking ridiculous? I had the same experience with "The Lost Highway" and eventually had to google to find out what it was all about. But now I am really not inclined to find out what Lynch wants to say here. Lost Highway, Machinist (non Lynch), Mulholland Drive.... what next? I am sick of films that conveniently introduce imagination/fantasy bullshit plot in the pretext of creating mystery. Tell me a simple story. I refuse to google to find out what you are saying. Okay no more Lynch movies for me  [/b] can't wait to see what Capo is going to reply. 
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by MistaMista Tom Hagen: United 93 2006; Greengrass
Spread the news, United 93 is a truly revolutionary film. Upon first impressions, this stands as one of the most powerful, tasteful, and interesting films released in the past decade, and its dedication to accuracy is impressive. As the first film about one of the biggest tragedies this country has ever faced, United 93 passes the respectability test with flying colors. Add in the fact that the events of that fateful day occurred less than five years ago, and one must consider writer/director Greengrass's accomplishment a truly remarkable one.
A director faces a difficult situation when his film is being blasted and criticized before it is even released. As the pioneer in what will surely become a sub-category unto itself in the disaster films genre, Greengrass took careful precaution in crafting the first 9/11 film, and his dedication seems to have paid off.
I call this film revolutionary because it is the closest I've ever seen a film walk the line between documentaries and feature films. The result is an fascinating experiment in a new approach to making movies. The events are shown, they are not dramatized, they are not romanticized, or sensationalized, they are simply portrayed, as accurately possible. The hijackers and the hijacked are on equal footing in the sympathy department. I found myself almost pitying the terrorists as they were overcome with their religious fanaticism which led to them being essentially forced into a suicide mission in the name of their god. Greengrass has made the first film in which both sides are presented and the director is truly able to succeed in not taking sides. His genius in this department is beautifully portrayed in one of the final scenes in the film where both the hijackers and their captives pray on opposite ends of aircraft. The juxtaposition of these images provides an interesting insight into exactly what this film really sought to accomplish.
Greengrass's camerawork, while relying on the hand-held effect a little too much at times, ultimately assists in portraying the frantic and panicked nature of all the characters depicted, as well as setting the tone for the entire fateful day itself. And the director's choice of music also suits the piece beautifully. Opting for a simple, minimalist orchestral score that plays throughout only a small portion of the film seems to have been just the right amount to accent but not drown out the story.
Another aspect of the film which I really admired, whether intentional or not, was its casting. I literally only recognized one face in the entire cast, and even then I couldn't name him or place where I had seen him. (It ultimately turned out to be John Rothman who I knew from Dinner Rush). The fact that the cast consisted almost exclusively of unknowns only added to the feel of realism throughout the film. Add in the fact that several real life people involved in the events of 9/11 played themselves, and also that the actors chosen to play the major figures in the passenger resistance movement looked remarkably like their real-life counterparts, and the viewers truly felt as if they were there.
Another fascinating choice by Greengrass was to not take advantage of his post-knowledge of the events. Throughout the entire film, characters can be seen making false assumptions and relaying information to one another that was eventually proved to be incorrect. This, again, adds to the realism and sense of panicked confusion being portrayed in the film, and I really respected the fact that Greengrass took the time to include this.
One other difficult choice made by Greengrass was exactly how to go about showing the plane's final moments. It can be tough for a director when the audience already knows how the story will end, but Greengrass does it in a unique and truly emotional way that really tugs at your heart strings without being overdramatic.
Nearly everything about this film was perfectly in accordance to what Greengrass sought to achieve. Thought-provoking, deeply emotional, realistic. I truly do not feel as though a better film could've been made about this subject matter.
5/5 Stars
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 09:13 AM
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Mista, I saw this film too and agree with your review. It wasn't overdone, every passenger was equal, without one outshining the other; the characters seemed "real", and so did the scenes on the ground at air traffic control. The first hour or so consisted of the confusion and chaos on the ground, which some might say is a little slow, but I think interesting and necessary to get a grasp on the chain of events. The ending was appropriate as well. Again, not a Hollywood "spectacle" type ending, but considering how soon after this event this was made, it was done with sensitivity and seemed real. You're heart goes out to all of the passengers. TIS
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by svsg: [b]Mulholland Drive Didn't understand a single bit. Is this supposed to be like modern art, where no one understands, but everyone pretends to appreciate it, just to avoid looking ridiculous?[/b] My thoughts on Mulholland Dr. read: It is best to approach this film as an unfathomable nightmare, and let it unfold itself; for, in true Lynch style, the meaning here is not an obvious one, presented as a character-switching Chinese-box-like succession of dark and disturbing fantasies. It registers on the unconscious and lingers on the mind like the most haunting of dreams. My thoughts on Lost Highway read: A teasing, complex mystery on identity, told as an elongated, inescapable nightmare for all, with characters switching into others; it begs for rewatches, and becomes more rewarding with each one. Didn't you find Mulholland Dr. to be full of beautiful images? Didn't it touch upon your emotions at times that few films can even dream of achieving? Didn't it pull you into its nightmarish textures and identity crises with every lingering shot of a dark corridor or corner of a sparse, barely-lit room?
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 09:30 AM
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The Singing Detective  Jon Amiel 1986 Australia/UK (1st time; DVD) Bedridden in hospital with a debilitating skin disease, a writer of detective fiction with a debilitating skin disease reimagines his most famous story and relives his childhood. The kind of genre-bending, tantalising final product a writer might dream of completing, this TV mini-series is about as fresh, energetic, and mature as you can possibly get, with nothing else in the medium coming close to its sophisticated intertextuality. Endlessly fascinating, with a powerful emotional undercurrent racing along beneath every sharp slice of dialogue. The acting is fantastic, the material highly original, the pacing perfect, and the whole thing is at once accessible and convoluted, ambitious and modest, and it's quite unlike anything made before or since.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: Didn't you find Mulholland Dr. to be full of beautiful images? Definitely yes Didn't it touch upon your emotions at times that few films can even dream of achieving?
Not much I should say. I couldn't relate to the characters and hence the lack of emotional attachment. Didn't it pull you into its nightmarish textures and identity crises with every lingering shot of a dark corridor or corner of a sparse, barely-lit room?
I felt this way when I saw Lost Highway. But with this, I felt it was repeating the same themes as the former - identity crisis, fantasies and dreams of a life where one can be someone else and have some other character(istics), trying to solve the problems in real life through fantasies etc. Also it is not coherent, looks like a collage of beautiful images with no apparent inter-relation. If at all there is any big picture, it is hidden deep enough not to be discovered by most people watching it. IMO.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by svsg: [b]Mulholland Drive Didn't understand a single bit. Is this supposed to be like modern art, where no one understands, but everyone pretends to appreciate it, just to avoid looking ridiculous? I had the same experience with "The Lost Highway" and eventually had to google to find out what it was all about. But now I am really not inclined to find out what Lynch wants to say here. Lost Highway, Machinist (non Lynch), Mulholland Drive.... what next? I am sick of films that conveniently introduce imagination/fantasy bullshit plot in the pretext of creating mystery. Tell me a simple story. I refuse to google to find out what you are saying. Okay no more Lynch movies for me  [/b] I agree. I don't think anyone outside the set understood what this movie was supposed to be about. As I said when I watched it, it's probably "weird for the sake of being weird"
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by Lavinia from Italy: [quote]Originally posted by Don Zaluchi: [b] [b]Ladri di biciclette / The Bicycle Thief (1948) Vittorio De Sica / Italy 9/10 (I switched from stars to numbers :p ) A bit slow at the start but it more than makes up for it in the final twenty minutes. Raw Emotion is the only way to describe this film. A gem of Italian Neorealism, shot on a shoestring budget with non-professional actors, the experience is amazing. [/b] I'm glad you enjoyed this movie. Raw emotion, that's right!  And if you are interested in Italian Neorealism, I'd suggest you "Rome, Open City" (by Roberto Rossellini, 1946). Oh, and another "must see" by Vittorio De Sica is definitely "Umberto D." [/b][/quote]I have planned to see those for a long time  . Tonight, I intend to watch either Pasolini's Accatone (1961) or Mamma Roma (1962) , his second film. As for the films I saw last night, they were: Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) Steven Spielberg / USA 8/10 Great action film from the master himself. Not as good as his "masterpieces" but great for what it is. Enjoyable and fun. Persona (1966) Ingmar Bergman / Sweden 9/10 Amazing film. The third Bergman film I've seen, after The Seventh Seal and Wild Strawberries. Beautiful cinematography and a great plot/story that sucks you in. To me it's the most entertaining of the three films I've seen. Definately needs a rewatch.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Irishman12: I don't think anyone outside the set [of Mulholland Dr.] understood what this movie was supposed to be about. As I said when I watched it, it's probably "weird for the sake of being weird" In interviews included on the Region 2 DVD of the film, the main stars all give their interpretations of what they think the film is about. Even Lynch himself would never say "it means this", or discard what you thought it meant, even if he disagreed with it. Lynch isn't for everyone, and I know that you know that, but I can't quite fathom "weird for the sake of being weird" as a criticism. Isn't The Godfather "serious for the sake of being serious"? Isn't X-Men "action-packed for the sake of being action-packed"? Isn't Dumb and Dumber "funny for the sake of being funny"? If anything, "weird for the sake of being weird" is a good thing, no? It certainly makes a film original. And let's face it, how many films can you compare Mulholland Dr. to? In fact, I've read many times the adjective "Lynchian" being used to describe somebody else's work, but I've never read a review of Lynch's films with overt reference to others.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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06/01/06 03:58 PM
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SE7EN (David Fincher/USA/1995) This film gets better with every viewing. A truly disturbing tale of a man who kills seemingly random people, based on the seven deadly sins (lust, greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, wrath, and pride). Pitt and Freeman turned in two great performances, but Kevin Spacey really steals the show in this one. Eventhough he only has about 20 minutes total (give or take) of on screen time, his performance is disturbingly brilliant.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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Originally posted by xXx_DoN_CoRLeOnE_xXx: [b]SE7EN (David Fincher/USA/1995) Pitt and Freeman turned in two great performances, but Kevin Spacey really steals the show in this one. Eventhough he only has about 20 minutes total (give or take) of on screen time, his performance is disturbingly brilliant. [/b] Oh YES! Kevin Spacey is the MAN and I can't wait to see him as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: Lynch isn't for everyone, and I know that you know that, but I can't quite fathom "weird for the sake of being weird" as a criticism. Isn't The Godfather "serious for the sake of being serious"? Isn't X-Men "action-packed for the sake of being action-packed"? Isn't Dumb and Dumber "funny for the sake of being funny"? If anything, "weird for the sake of being weird" is a good thing, no? It certainly makes a film original. And let's face it, how many films can you compare Mulholland Dr. to? In fact, I've read many times the adjective "Lynchian" being used to describe somebody else's work, but I've never read a review of Lynch's films with overt reference to others. I agree Lynch isn't for everyone and sure, you can say any comic book movie made in the last 6 years has probably been made as "action for the sake of action." And you can say Dumb and Dumber is "funny for the sake of being funny." etc. But when a very small percentage of those who have watched Mulholland Dr. understand it fully, I think it defeats it's purpose as a movie. Monty Python and the Hoil Grail ** The first 20-30 minutes were good but towards the end I was bored and felt like I was watching The Yellow Submarine or something.
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Re: Movies You Just Watched Discussion
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8 1/2 1963/Fellini
A harried movie director retreats into his memories and fantasies. Starring Marcello Mastroianni, Claudia Cardinale, and Anouk Aimée -- 1st Fellini film --
Well, finally a piece of classic cinema that lived up to its reputation. Fellini provided a really enjoyable, comedic, and yet mystifying and complex viewing expierience. His attention to detail in the areas of lighting and camera movement were clearly evident throughout, and his writing skills shine as well. The numerous extended dream sequences were the most exciting parts of the film, providing a figurative window into the main character's thoughts. I found myself wishing the film had been based more in these sequences rather than focusing more on the reality-based aspects of the story.
Fellini did a fantastic job of instantly sucking the viewers in as well with a memorably haunting opening sequence. I went back and watched just that scene over again after I had finished the film and it was given a whole new layer of depth of meaning. Great film, looking forward to multiple rewatches, as well as getting my hands on La Dolce Vita sometime soon.
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