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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/08/05 12:57 PM
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The bible should not be taught in science class. Evolution is a "theory" and so is the concept of time and the concept of gravity.
I dont know why the schools do not teach some kind of cpmparative religion course where they read the bible, the koran, lao tsu, etc. All of it is a part of our culture and it provides an understanding of concepts of morality etc.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/08/05 03:21 PM
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I agree completely with Dontom.
Besides, imagine a Comparative Religion class....hell, I actually would have been interested in it.
But really, people that push this Intelligent Design stuff as "science" as if it has any serious scientific credibility.....it actually hurts America when other nations graduate more scientists and evermore advance upon America as a scientific/medical research leader.
No really, if you are an American and care about your country, enough with this push for Design. Now if its given credibility in the long run in objective research, cool then teach it in schools. But until its got street cred in the world of science, forget about it.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/08/05 03:28 PM
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Should Darwin be taught in schools ? Of course, it's an essential part of human biology. My vote goes to "Both" - I say why not? let the kids decide for themselves how we came to be, but why not teach them both theories? There is only one way, how we came to be: evolution If school cant supply a proof for neither, and both are therefore "Theories", why should one be taught and the other not? There's a proof for Darwinism, it's not a theory. It's a fact, and it has to be told. Many people believe that God created man. Now this is a religious thing, so it wouls certainly have it's place in the Catholic religion lessons, and in all the other religions were Allah/Jahweh/God made man. A comparason between the religions would also be very interesting.
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/08/05 03:40 PM
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crap?
Then again, I guess there is no harm in justifying religion for many things, from saying that God "didn't intend" homosexuals to actually exist or as such that science itself is wrong....which with the large numbers of scientific data supporting the evolving Theory of Evolution, I would say that its about as legit as say the Sub-Atomic Theory. Is that theory as false as well?
Anyway, as I said, whats the harm in justifying religion for actions? I mean, its not like some people are using religion to justify terrorism, flying hijacked planes into skyscrapers, bombing civilians, decapitating people, and persecuting people......right?
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/08/05 04:51 PM
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I voted for both, though I believe in evolution. Evolution should only be taught in science class. Whatever be its flaws, it is atleast founded on the standard practices adopted in science to establish the theory: Make a hypothesis, show experimental verification, show theoretical explanation and provide points of refutation through which one can disprove the theory. On the other hand Bible should be taught only in religion class. The teachings of bible don't require any proof. It is based on belief and good faith.
Whoever wants to learn science should attend the science class. If he/she feels that evolution does not explain something, they should raise questions, read on alternate theories, may even switch to religion for a more satisfactory answer.
The same goes for those who want to learn the religion. If they are religiously inclined, they should try to understand the origins from the perspective of religion. If they don't find satisfactory answers, they may look in the direction of science.
But I definitely feel that it is irresponsible to bias children by telling that Bible/Evolution is 'crap'.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/09/05 10:02 AM
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The Dr. who fixed Lucy
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Erm...
Bibles in Religious Education classes
Darwin in science, or if you want to be fussy, history.
Either way, both have their place
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/09/05 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by The Dr. who fixed Lucy: Erm...
Bibles in Religious Education classes
Darwin in science, or if you want to be fussy, history.
Either way, both have their place Of course!
See, we can act as smart as we want, but at the end of the day, we still follow a guy who fucks himself with kebab skewers.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/09/05 11:35 AM
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In fairness, the puking emoticons are a bit excessive there!
There's nothing sick or wrong with people preferring to believe creation over evolution.
A "scientific man" should also have an understanding of religion (otherwise he is too scientific!) and understand that shouting about theory and proof to creationalists is fruitless. They will believe in the Bible and the story of creation regardless of how much negative proof you throw at them, because proof is the antithesis of faith, and creationism is based on faith in God, not proof of science.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/09/05 12:14 PM
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Ok well my sentiments have pretty much been expressed. I am a Darwinist, I believe science is for school and faith is for church. I think that it does a disservice to our youth to give them this “PC middle of the road red state “two theories” compromise”, think of these children going up for jobs or college science classes they will be laughed at. I won’t even mention the international science community, just the thought of some “two theory” student showing up to represent the U.S. at some conference and really saying that.
Another way to think about it, your child has just been diagnosed with some rare disease or some mutated strand of virus thought to be extinct. Now who do you really want on the team doing research into that disease, someone taught pure science in school or someone taught a pseudo-science mix, I know my decision.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/09/05 07:04 PM
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In public schools, it should just be Darwin. I don't care what private schools teach. That's up to them. The day they try and teach religion in public schools though.... ohhh man they're in for a rude awakening from me.
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/09/05 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by Snake: Wonder why nothing's evolving now? Wonder why monkeys stay monkeys and don't evolve into humans (or anything else??)? Some monkeys did evolve into humans, some didn't. There's a scientific term for that, "natural selection" I believe it's called. Only the best and the brightest primates evolved. The rest stayed as monkeys. And what makes you thik that nothing is evolving now? Man is getting bigger, stronger, and smarter with each generation. We absolutely are still evolving. As are animals. Survival of the fittest. Some adapt better to their environments and the breed is "improved". Others stay the same or die off. When God created Adam and Eve, were they a man and a woman as we are today in our current form or were they cavemen who evolved to what we are today? How about the bone and fossil evidence that proves the existence of different "breeds" of humans, some who survived and evolved, and some who didn't. The "missing links" so to speak. Not monkeys, not men. Where do they fit into the biblical picture?
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Re: Darwin, Bible, Both, or Neither
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12/10/05 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Snake: Wonder why nothing's evolving now? Wonder why monkeys stay monkeys and don't evolve into humans (or anything else??)? Hmmmm. But...creation is a fairytale?? Oh yeah, makes perfect, "logical" sense to me! :rolleyes: You are kidding right? Of course things are evolving now! Evolution is happening but at a very slow pace (or sometimes fast like the white to black moths because of pollution). Eventually these processes may lead to new species but maybe not in our lifetime. Monkeys aren't evolving into humans because we did not evolve from the present day species of monkey, but becasue of environmental influences may be evolving into something we will not see in our lifetime. And really, do you expect it to happen "poof" in front of your eyes?
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