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Re: Rights...
#146897
02/09/06 05:41 PM
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irishmike
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I am certainly no expert on the subject, but I do not believe condemned inmates are allowed to donate their organs--but, as Dennis Miller says, Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.
"....but your father never TRUSTED Hyman Roth."
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Re: Rights...
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02/09/06 05:43 PM
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irishmike
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: I have a question, now, then: how does electrocution render the organs unrecycable? I imagine the "innards" may kind of "bile" over during the application of the 'lectricity proper.
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Re: Rights...
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02/09/06 08:01 PM
02/09/06 08:01 PM
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afsaneh77
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The organ donors are usually those who are brain dead, but their heart is still beating. That way, the heart is still pumping the blood to other organs, so they still can be used. If I'm not mistaken, in the electrocution process, the current must close its path through heart, thus making the heart stop, which eventually would cause death. Therefore the organs of the deceased can no longer be used.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Rights...
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02/10/06 10:10 AM
02/10/06 10:10 AM
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There was a story very recently about a man on death row, who had a sister that needed a kidney (I think) and her brother wanted to give her his. It was denied, but I don't remember the entire story. Anyone remember the details?  It was on the news just a few months ago I believe. TIS
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Re: Rights...
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02/10/06 03:47 PM
02/10/06 03:47 PM
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Vito The Godfather
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Why take away somebody else's live? They should make that criminal do a community job and work his ass to know what life is about, or maybe that's too good for someone like that.
Instant death will only take them away, but if they are alive, they should do some work and still be locked up in jail.
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Re: Rights...
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02/10/06 05:36 PM
02/10/06 05:36 PM
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afsaneh77
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I verified what I posted earlier here: http://www.nyodn.org/organ/o_donationfacts_faq.html Q: When must organs be removed? A: Organs must be removed as soon as possible after the determination of brain death, while circulation is being maintained artificially. Tissue may be removed within 12 to 24 hours. I'm baffled by your question. If you are asking about a kind of donation that does not require the death of the donor, I think that could be allowed. If the person wishes to donate a kidney or blood, I don't see anything wrong with that. But by law, that person must be executed by electrical chair, which would cause his/her heart stop and he/she does not technically have a brain death to be qualified to donate his/her vital organs. When you declare you are an organ donor, you acknowledge that in case of brain death, your vital organs can be taken for transplant purposes. A person on a death row on the other hand, will not experience brain death by execution means, and it is not as if any of us could choose how we are going to die. Furthermore if such a thing becomes a law, family members of the victim who are going to witness the execution, if there should be any, must be able to have a say in this matter.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Rights...
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02/10/06 09:38 PM
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MM, unless I'm mistaken (and I could be), the electric chair is no longer used as an instrument of execution in the United States. Lethal injection is, I believe, used in all states that permit capital punishment (not all do). The last state in which a condemned person had a choice of means of execution was Utah. The condemned could choose between hanging and firing squad. Nice choice. :rolleyes: Now I think Utah, like other states, uses lethal injection.
I doubt that prisoners who were facing death by electrocution could donate organs because electrocution probably would "derange" them. Electrocution wasn't just a quick jolt. The condemned person was hit with 2,000 volts for two minutes, then shocks at 1,000 and 500 volts for several minutes each. Certainly eyes would be destroyed by electrocution. And since electrocution raised the temperature throughout the body, the condition of other organs would be doubtful at best. Lethal injection would leave toxic chemicals throughout the body. I doubt that anyone would want to receive an organ thus contaminated.
Sorry for the grim account.
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Re: Rights...
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02/11/06 06:37 AM
02/11/06 06:37 AM
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afsaneh77
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A current as low as 0.1A at 30 volts, if passed through heart, (i.e. through your both hands) can stop the heart. I was deceived by this information to think they use the same method in electrocution as well, but it seems that they practically fry the inmate. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=479 For execution by the electric chair, the person is usually shaved and strapped to a chair with belts that cross his chest, groin, legs, and arms. A metal skullcap-shaped electrode is attached to the scalp and forehead over a sponge moistened with saline. The sponge must not be too wet or the saline short-circuits the electric current, and not too dry, as it would then have a very high resistance. An additional electrode is moistened with conductive jelly (Electro-Creme) and attached to a portion of the prisoner's leg that has been shaved to reduce resistance to electricity. The prisoner is then blindfolded. (Hillman, 1992 and Weisberg, 1991) After the execution team has withdrawn to the observation room, the warden signals the executioner, who pulls a handle to connect the power supply. A jolt of between 500 and 2000 volts, which lasts for about 30 seconds, is given. The current surges and is then turned off, at which time the body is seen to relax. The doctors wait a few seconds for the body to cool down and then check to see if the inmate's heart is still beating. If it is, another jolt is applied. This process continues until the prisoner is dead. The prisoner's hands often grip the chair and there may be violent movement of the limbs which can result in dislocation or fractures. The tissues swell. Defecation occurs. Steam or smoke rises and there is a smell of burning. (Hillman, 1992 and Weisberg, 1991) U.S. Supreme Court Justice William Brennan once offered the following description of an execution by electric chair: ...the prisoner's eyeballs sometimes pop out and rest on [his] cheeks. The prisoner often defecates, urinates, and vomits blood and drool. The body turns bright red as its temperature rises, and the prisoner's flesh swells and his skin stretches to the point of breaking. Sometimes the prisoner catches fire....Witnesses hear a loud and sustained sound like bacon frying, and the sickly sweet smell of burning flesh permeates the chamber. (Ecenbarger, 1994) At postmortem, the body is hot enough to blister if touched, and the autopsy is delayed while the internal organs cool. There are third degree burns with blackening where the electrodes met the skin of the scalp and legs. According to Robert H. Kirschner, the deputy chief medical examiner of Cook County, "The brain appears cooked in most cases." (Weisberg, 1991) But it seems that Nebraska is the only state that requires electrocution as the only method right now, but these states have it as an option: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, [Illinois], Kentucky, Nebraska, [Oklahoma], South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=8&did=245 Nonetheless, organs of the person executed by lethal injection can not be used.
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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