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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/20/06 07:33 AM
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My masterpieces list. Very short one. I'm rather strict....  (no particular order, cannot make up my mind) The Godfather I and II A streetcar named desire Sunset Boulevard Casablanca Gone with the wind Schindler's list
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/20/06 05:35 PM
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Again, absolutely no objective truth as to what can be "considered" a plain masterpiece over a personal favourite. Mine are one and the same. The following is a list of all the films I rate with four stars. That is, a list of outstanding works which have changed my life, or are changing my life.
À bout de souffle / Breathless (1959)
Aguirre, der Zorn Gottes / Aguirre, Wrath of God (1972)
American Beauty (1999)
Blue Velvet (1986)
Conversation, The (1974)
Don't Look Now (1973)
Eraserhead (1976)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004)
French Connection, The (1971)
Krótki film o milosc / A Short Film About Love (1988)
Lost Highway (1997)
Lost In Translation (2003)
Manhattan (1979)
Samouraï, Le / The Samurai (1967)
Stalker (1979)
Taxi Driver (1976)
Week-end / Weekend (1967)
Everything, in how we judge a film, is shaped by our desires and our memory, whatever they may be. And I think many underestimate the power of the unconscious connection which memory fulfills.
Some think there's a kind of objectivity which can be placed on it (perhaps there is, though nobody's convinced me yet), whereby you can get this and that out of a film. "Look at the cinematography, and the direction", etc. But even on an individual level, the way we see subjectively rate whatever element of Cinema it is, is going to be influenced by our memory, by the abstract, unconscious levels of connection.
If SC, for instance, considers King Kong the best film ever made because of personal connection to it, because of the emotions it conjures up in him every time he watches it, I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I'd encourage more criticism like it.
The most ridiculous paradox ever was something I read along the lines of, "It never hit me emotionally, but I thought the cinematography was amazing." Amazing? In order to think that, it must have connected some way on an emotional level, no?
Just because it can't be voiced in words, doesn't mean it doesn't exist:
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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/21/06 06:42 AM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra:
Everything, in how we judge a film, is shaped by our desires and our memory, whatever they may be. And I think many underestimate the power of the unconscious connection which memory fulfills. I totally agree, Mick. In fact I was talking about "our" masterpieces lists. There ain't no absolute truth, no given dogma in a most subjective issue like that. Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra:
The most ridiculous paradox ever was something I read along the lines of, "It never hit me emotionally, but I thought the cinematography was amazing." Amazing? In order to think that, it must have connected some way on an emotional level, no? well, as for the technical sides, I guess there can be some kind of objectivity though. Technics don't necessarily imply emotions. You can use technics to stress the emotional issues, but you can do it even in a neutral way, if you know what I mean. A movie plot can be shallow, or a plain bore, or lousily acted, still the cinematography can be technically perfect and I don't see why it shouldn't be recognized. Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra:
Just because it can't be voiced in words, doesn't mean it doesn't exist:
[b]"Cinema has a language of its own, and it's a damned shamed to have to translate that back into words." - David Lynch [/b] I agree with both you and David Lynch. In this order...
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/21/06 08:28 AM
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How can cinematography be "technically perfect", though? As long as any camera set-up captures what it is meant to film, that to me is pretty much perfect. In that sense, if we were to discard emotional connections from the whole process, I can't see how the cinematography of The Godfather could be objectively proven to be more perfect than that of Bad Taste. One is meant to have a period look and succeeds, the other is meant to look cheap and is. So which one's better, all emotions aside?
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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/21/06 08:08 PM
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Should an artist have more then one Masterpiece in their body of work ?
There are directors that have more then one film on some of the lists presented here but if we use the word masterpiece is that not a work that is perfect or close to perfection. Can one artist have two works of perfection, or would one have to be considered more perfect then others?
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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/21/06 08:54 PM
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I have a long list of films I like, but a recent masterpiece is the Hungarian film "Kontroll." Its actually very good.
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Re: Cinema masterpieces
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03/22/06 04:44 AM
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I'm going to add Brokeback Mountain to my list. I thought I should have waited the test of time before, but following Mick's ideas about what criteria we should use to judge a film (that is, basically, our own emotions), I don't need it anymore! 
I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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