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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/08/04 04:20 PM
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"Superman" was a real character in Cuba. He was hugely endowed, and performed prodigious sex acts nightly in a club in Havana. One of the guys I worked with years ago lived in Miami and played in his high school band. As a reward, the school took the graduating band members for a weekend in pre-Castro Havana. My co-worker said that, at ever streetcorner, some character approached them with flyers for one sex club or another, whispering, "Just like Superman."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/08/04 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by SC: Notice Fredo's interest in the act. Is this where Mark Winegardner got the idea he (Fredo) was bi-sexual? I don't know about where MW got the idea, but I don't think it implied that Fredo was bi-sexual. Rather, I think it was demonstrating Fredo's lack of sophistication. Michael attended the show too, but notice how he remains unattached through the show (until of course, Fredo makes his screw-up)...
"You blamed him for Sonny -- you always did. Everybody did. But you never thought about me -- you never gave a damn about me."
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/12/04 05:51 AM
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To Connie and Don Sonny - My reference to Fredo being bi in that scene was said tongue-in-cheek. I should have added a "  " to the end of that post. Both of you brought up good points, though. Michael's lack of interest in that show proved he was like his father - he wouldn't let unimportant details get in the way of his judgment.
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/12/04 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by SC: Michael's lack of interest in that show proved he was like his father - he wouldn't let unimportant details get in the way of his judgment. More so like his father, I think, in that he was "straightlaced" in matters concerning sex.
"Difficult....not impossible"
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/12/04 12:25 PM
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he definatly was straightlaced. especially comparing him to tom hagen at the end of part two. but i pose this one question: tom was pretty good guy in part one, and he seemed like a devoted husband. do you think that the freedoms of nevada led him to to cheat?
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/12/04 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by mr. soprano: tom was pretty good guy in part one, and he seemed like a devoted husband. do you think that the freedoms of nevada led him to to cheat? It was Coppola's collaboration in the script, I guess.  He changed the character a little  . Maybe, that's where MW got the idea that it's not impossible...
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/14/04 01:43 AM
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Good point, Olivant! It could be that Michael was testing Fredo. But a more likely explanation, IMO, is that, as we learned later, Fredo's usual assignment was to "run some Mickey Mouse nightclub." We also saw that he ran a brothel. And when Michael asked Fredo to "show them a good time," he replied, "My specialty, right?" So I think Michael expected his brother would know how to "entertain" important guests.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/14/04 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by plawrence: Originally posted by SC: [b]Michael's lack of interest in that show proved he was like his father - he wouldn't let unimportant details get in the way of his judgment. More so like his father, I think, in that he was "straightlaced" in matters concerning sex. [/b]I think that he was not so straightlaced in those matters as his father. Though certainly much more straightlaced than Fredo, of course  . Mike had many "adolescent crushes", he had no scruples whatever sleeping with Kay before wedding, and if you read attentively everything about the lust, the passionate desire to possess that he felt to Apollonia, and the description of their sexual life, you would not think that he was modest in sex... I rather think he had good taste. And the ugly dirty sight that could excite Fredo out of his wits, had no value for choosy aesthete like Mike.
keep your mouth shut, and your eyes open.
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Re: Superman act in Cuba
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12/14/04 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by mr. soprano: but i pose this one question: tom was pretty good guy in part one, and he seemed like a devoted husband. do you think that the freedoms of nevada led him to to cheat? In the original script/screenplay, Tom was having an on-going affair with Sandra, Sonny's widow. This scene is shortly after Michael asks Tom to leave when Johnny Ola arrives at the boat house, (Tom goes to Sandra's house) and just prior to Michael's meeting with Senator (I intend to squeeze you) Geary .... HAGEN Just now when Johnny Ola showed up, he asked me to leave them alone. Ola is Hyman Roth's Sicilian contact. I was on the inside of ten, twenty meetings with him. But today Mike asked me to leave, like an outsider. SANDRA Talk to him. Tell him how you feel. HAGEN It's as though he blames me for the ground the family lost when I was Consigliere to Sonny. Sandra pulls Hagen to her, and kisses him passionately on the mouth. HAGEN I love Michael, I want to help him, be close to him. I don't want to end up a third string lawyer making property settlements for the hotels. Sandra knows he needs her. Slowly she begins to undress. SANDRA We have a little time now.
Napalm, boy -- nothing else in the world smells like that -- I love the smell of napalm in the morning -- it smells like ... victory... (Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore, 9th Air Cavalry / 1st Cavalry Div - Sept 1969, North Vietnamese Village on Nung River)
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