they called him "Charlie Bear" is I remember correctly

This one might be silly but are the RAO'S of this Family, the same as or related to the Ny Restaurant, Rao's??? The sauce is great either way

Who was tony ducks first underboss and consig when he took over in 1973/74

@Pmac;

That's a good question buddy; We always hear that Salvatore ''Tom Mix'' Santoro got released from prison in the late 70's; and became underboss; and Christy Tick Furnari became Consigliere in the late 80's.


We never hear about who was Anthony Corallo's Consigliere or Underboss in that 1972-1973 frame window period when he came home..... I'm a good friend of Corallo's nephew; He told me when Corallo got out of prison; Tramunti still had a lot of power because he showed up to Tony Duck's welcome home party without permission and he was banned from even showing up. It's possible Tramunti still held alot of sway still... and served as underboss for just a couple of months. He got his freedom stolen in late 1973.

I think Neil Migliore was Acting underboss before Tom Mix; Neil stepped down and wanted to be a captain; I believe.....

The Consigliere; I have no clue.....

I tend to agree that Tramunti still had some sway. And that Paul Vario was also in the mix before he went to the can. Before Neil Migliore, Vinnie Beans Foceri was in the acting Consigliere position also during that time

@Dob_Peppino

Carmine Tramunti definitely had to have power when Corallo got out; The guy went to Corallo’s welcome party after he was told not to attend, He came anyway; and there were some really angry people; Especially’s Corallo’s brother who was the host.

I think the transition to Tramunti to Corallo was more difficult then people realize...

I don’t think Tramunti got bumped down instantly to captain; He was prolly streetboss or underboss before he got busted for drugs.


Anyone think this was plausible?

Maybe our Friend @NYMAFIA can help with clarification on this???

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Hiya Don Pep, Gribbs was jailed in 1974 on a 15 year heroin conviction... Finito! He served only 4 years before dying behind bars. He had largely been jailed on and off on a long string of contempt sentences previous to that, plus they had held him at one point after he got indicted for the drug case. So he had been largely "off the streets" since 1970-71.


He had a few other cases that tied him up as well. A stock fraud case, etc..... Tramunti had a very hard road to hold since the late 60s'.

But was there strife or an issues in the transition from Tramanti and Corallo? I was under the impression, that it was generally recognized that Tony Ducks was taking the big seat upon release. I know Corallo had some detractors but was Tramunti (and for that matter, his loyalist, seeing as too Gribbs wasn't really around) a problem for him?

Andimo Pappadio held some kind of administration position before he got killed

I do not believe there was any conflict at all between the two. Not to mention the fact that Tramunti was gonna be buried under 15 years anyway, so what conflict ya know?
Corallo assumed the boss position when paroled because I do think that was the plan.

If there was any conflict at all, it was that Tommy Pappadio didn't wanna step aside as the "acting boss" Corallo, so he got hit in the head. But between Tramunti and Corallo I think it was fine IMO.

At least that's my theory on it.

Stefano LaSalle was his underboss, with Aniello Migliore and Andimo Pappadio as acting Underbosses. Vincenzo Rao was his Consigliere, with Paul Vario and Vincent Foceri as his acting Consiglieres. Carmine Tramunti was the street boss. Both LaSalle and Rao had expressed they wished to retire. 1970-1971 you had Tony Ducks out while Tramunti was locked up. Power shifted to Ducks, and instead of putting his guys in place, he allowed LaSalle and Rao to continue serving, he was always set on Migliore serving as his underboss, but he was undecided on Consigliere since both Foceri and Vario were well liked and were doing good jobs. Rao is said to serve as Consigliere from 1953 to 1973, but he served till 1974, and when Vario went away, Foceri became the official Consigliere and Rao was allowed to retire which he was ready to do when he was released from prison a few years before that. Tramunti was still a powerhouse with Pappadio and Vario being his guys. It is murky but that is the best picture.

If it wasn't for Amuso and Gaspipe's massacre this family would historically be the most secretive and organized in the history of the US mafia. Not as big or powerful as the Genovese or Gambinos but as well operated as any. That was their only real war, wasn't it?

LOL. It all suddenly becomes clear.

It's about time. Glad to hear it! LOL

There is some conflicting reports that I've seen, I went with what was mostly reported but I have to ask, and maybe @NyMafia knows. Was Frankie Carbo a Lucchesse or Genovese? and if he was indeed, Luchesse, why did the confusion come into play, was it his associates?

Sleeper Alert! This is for NyMafia.
I just found an image that had all the attendees of the famous Apalachin meeting, I discovered a new name, I have never seen this name until today. EMILIO BUTTONI. He was listed a Caporegime from Jackson Heights. Does this name ring any bells? If so, any info would surely be appreciated

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Hiya Pep,

Emilio Buttoni is a phony name. To the very best of my knowledge there is no such person. Never was! It's a bullshit name someone put in.

well I was thinking maybe they misplaced "so and so" in the wrong crew, maybe an out of towner. It does sound like a phony name, I don't know of everyone but O'd rememberthat name.... I wonder who gave the alias..... Those wily Lucchesses haha

Frankie Carbo was a Lucchese soldier. The reason for the confusion is his associations with members of other families, Genovese, Gambino, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia are the ones you see him listed under, he was misidentified as being with Philadelphia family since he was close to a guy name Blinky I cannot think of his real name, but reports like that is what happens with these guys, until someone knowns the person and is in the same family turns and spills to law enforcement.

The Philly guy you are referring to is FRANK "BLINKY" PALERMO

I now lean toward believing that in fact Carbo WAS a Genovese soldier. But however it happened was misidentified years back as a Lucchese and it stuck. Because if you look at the trajectory of his life, nearly all his associates were Genovese guys.

It could go either way. The fact that he ws allegedly assigned the "Siegel" hit in Vegas points to him being a Luciano/Genovese guy.

I agree. I've always thought, he was a "weird" (for lack of a better word) fit, being a Lucchesse. Especially being associated with the Siegel hit. What was his association to the Lukes?

Thank you Dob_Peppino.

On Frank Corbo. Growing up he was close to members of the Genovese and Lucchese crime family. Ultimately James Plumeri joined the Lucchese family and Frank followed suit. He was also close to Al and Joe Sica who were Lucchese members before transferring to Los Angeles. The pictures might be on here, but there are a few pictures of Frank Corbo with James Plumeri and the Dio brothers in stages of the years. When both Frank and James lived in Florida, Corbo served as his driver off and on and they usually ate together twice a week. Corbo spent more time with Plumeri than any other member in Florida. Corbo did meet with Erra, Coppola, and Salerno in the Genovese crime family while down in Florida, but he spent more time with members of the Lucchese crime family. Harry Stromgberg a Philadelphia criminal who had plenty of connections, went into business with Tommy Lucchese, I actually think it was his brother Joe Lucchese, in the garment business. He met James Plumeri in the late 1940s, through Palermo and Corbo, and Plumeri put him in contact with Frank Corbo saying Corbo was a soldier in his crew according to an informant somewhat close to Stromgberg. Corbo knew bosses, Bufalino, Ricca, Accardo, Giancana, Lucchese, Anastasia, Costello, Genovese, Ida, Civello, Dragna, and Trafficante to name some. His later years he would spend more time with Bufalino, Trafficante, and Tony Salerno after James Plumeri was killed in 1971. Corbo would pass away in 1976.

I heard a rumor that the Demeo crew was behind the hit on Joseph Abinanti any thoughts on this?

What about Frank Carbo being on a deceased Genovese members list?

It says Frank Carbo, not Paul "Frankie" Carbo. There is the Genovese list from Junior Gotti in the 1990s, and there is the rare 1978 Lucchese list from an unknown raid by the New York Marshal's office.

That doesn’t mean anything. There was also a guy on the list as Chappy so it’s not like they were using formal names.

If it isn’t the Frankie Carbo in question, then who the hell else is ‘Frank Carbo’?

I believe the Genovese family was messing with Junior Gotti on that. The Genovese family was more thorough when putting their prospects names to other families for membership. They put their full name and nicknames so the other families could do their own investigations and if anyone has a gripe about why the guy should not get his button.

In one of Christie Tick Furnari's appeals to get out of prison it states the Government believes he was involved/behind the attempted murder of Joseph Abinanti. That seems strange though, as Abinanti helped with the Dilapi murder. I think that info must have come from Casso, because one of the other murders mentioned in the appeal is Lee Schleifer, who I believe was murdered by Casso on orders of Furnari. Casso was probably involved in the Abinanti being he was Furnari's go to guy for work during that time period.

https://casetext.com/case/furnari-v-us-parole-commission

When Al D'arco met that really old Italian guy in Vario's crew he told Al he'd be available for a piece of work if he needed him, even though he probably couldn't walk 20 feet.