No one finds it strange that he’s now skated on 4 big mob cases and the only other 2 cases he had one was for punching a guy in front of a cop(he got probation) the other was the Borgata Case and the charges were dropped?? Sounds kind of like John Difronzo....literally every single person has done time(even Lucibello did a couple years) except for him, strange indeed....

He's been quite lucky it seems. Maybe he would've been in the superseding indictment along with Licata and Fazzini if he went to the meeting that Stefanelli recorded.

Right but Mousie Massamino didn’t go to that meeting and he was indicted and convicted in that case, Dame Canalichio didn’t go to that meeting and he was indicted and convicted in that case,ditto for Marty Angelina and Gaston Luciblello, and he gets a pass in the Stanfa Case and the 2000 case with Merlino Borgesi(who also wasn’t at that meeting w Nicky Skins and got indicted)not to mention probation for a known mob figure that assaults a guy in front of a cop and his charges were dropped in the Borgata case but weren’t dropped against Nicodemo or Micali??
And at this current ceremony that was recorded every single person there is either currently under indictment or has been indicted numerous times in the past. What are the odds that he’s the one luck guy out of the 15 there?

Hey Louie you should go to the FBI Philly division and voice your displeasure with them directly. And after you ask if homework was turned in you can go fuck yourself.

Good points Louie. But not enough to say he is cooperating. You are leaving one important factor out which I did, when he skated the last big mob case years ago. Michael is well insulated. Ravens410, calm down.

He's no rat. This post ought to be deleted. What a horrible thing to insinuate. There's been plenty of stand up guys who did little to no time in prison.

Which guys are you referring to that did 0 prison time??

Why are you a fa***t?

I guess its being insinuated that Lance is working or snitching for feds ..... no fucken way .... if that was the case they would have Skinny right were they want him next to Nicky jr.


Pretty dam sure that there not letting Lance walk the street on the few cases they had that almost didn’t make it to court and the one that didn’t would have .

But if there is anytime a judge would go for someone playing both sides at that level now days it would be now with murders being down .

the way i see it . Lance doesnt go out to the bars and clubs like everyone else does.. Not a big socializer.. i take it Lance dont have 15 photos on facbook.. every wise guy since the 1990s on has been caught on tape talkin shit... caught on some recording device of some kind in person or on the phone, giving up some good info to incriminate them selves.. he uses side language and coded talk.. writes conversations on papar then he burns it.. Lance 007?

Agreed .... those fucken bars and the booze will get everything going ... then add the woman and you have big problems in that life .... good point.

WTF is wrong here !!! A wise guy does everything right, keeps a low profile, doesnt get caught talking to rats or on a phone and he is suspected of being a rat because he is smart ????
The guy is no snitch.

I have to agree with you on that one. Not that anyone can be above suspicion nowadays with all these fucking rats. from soldiers to bosses going bad.

But I'd like to think the guy is just doing it correctly. Playing it by the numbers and walking lock-step to avoid trouble.

A rarity that he should be complimented for, not called a rat.

Thats the worst possible label anybody in the life could be accused of.
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If it ever turns out he did go bad, then it is what it is. But until that day should ever come, its not a label that is nice to throw on someone.

Just because most of these knock-around guys today are rank idiots, doesn't mean everyone is. And it looks like this Lancelotti is a careful, intelligent guy.

But time will tell. It usually does!

They don’t have skinny because part of the deal Lancelotti made is he won’t surface and testify in court it’s what all these big time undercover snitches do....

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...p;Board=8&main=32115&type=thread

Here’s a thread from 2014 where Scott Burnstein finds it suspicious he hasn’t been indicted and this was in 2014...



Missed Manners
Mafia Rule No. 12: If you're going to punch someone, do not do it in front of a police officer, because you could end up taking anger-management classes like reputed Mafia captain Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancelotti.

Two weeks ago, Lancelotti was found guilty of simple assault and sentenced to counseling, fined $178 and placed on 12 months' probation.

The story begins with Lancelotti and two other men hanging out at Chickie's and Pete's in South Philly last February.

One of the trio begins to flirt with an attractive young woman at the bar. Attractive young woman's boyfriend takes offense. Someone hits attractive young woman's boyfriend in the head with a beer bottle. (Ouch!) The argument spills out into the parking lot. Police are summoned. Bloody-headed boyfriend is asked to identify the beer-bottle assailant. He can't, but does point out to police that Lancelotti is one of the three men who started the fight. Lancelotti takes exception to the boyfriend's pointing. (Well, it is rude to point.) Lancelotti punches the boyfriend � right in front of a cop. (Double ouch!) So, now Lance is learning to manage his anger. He also has plans to open a coffee shop in South Philly � here's hoping none of the customers point at the proprietor.

For the murders in the 1990s at least it makes sense why he wasn't indicted. Mike Virgilio was identified as a shooter just as explicitly by Natale and wasn't indicted either.

The making ceremony is only evidence that the criminal enterprise exists. If they don't have any crimes to connect to Lancellotti (like the gambling, loan sharking, etc., acts against Grande or Mazzone) then there's no point in charging him. They need to prove that crimes being committed are linked to the organisation, not just that the organisation is there. If that was the case then it wouldn't just be Lancellotti but everyone else at that ceremony would've been indicted too (Ligambi, the Borgesis, Accardo, Johnny Chang...)

Unless Persiano caught Lancellotti at a later point on tape giving out loan shark money or accepting cash from extortions than I'm not expecting him to be charged in anything superseding. No-one in the indictment is just charged with being at the ceremony.

That’s not true..Just being a member of a criminal enterprise is enough to charge him w a Rico predicate..Inducting someone into the mafia is a crime and they have linked crimes to the organization over and over and over including in the current case to drugs,Loan sharking and extortion...and no one can explain how a known high ranking mobster assaulted a guy in front of a cop and got probation and anger management it’s like Greg Scarpa getting probation for selling stolen credit cards, it doesn’t make any sense. He’s literally the only one that hasn’t done time. Even Gaeton Lucibello beat Racketeering charges in the Stanfa case and did a couple years for the 2011 case for illegal Gambling. Even Angelo Lutz did time for Racketeering and he wasn’t even a gangster... not to mention they dropped the charges in the borgata case because AFTER he was indicted the state of New Jersey claimed he was misidentified on wiretaps even though nicodemo and grande were in his crew...ANYONE who has experience in the federal system would tell you how bullshit that is. That after he was indicted the charges were dropped because his voice was misidentified on wiretaps over and over...

Not to mention the Govt “knows” Grande was the other shooter in the Dipietro hit and that rumor came out at the Nicodemo trial which was a couple years before John Penisi flipped. How did the Govt “know” that. Who would be in the know like that to furnish that type of information. Where the Govt knew almost immediately that Grande was the other shooter?

Thats actually not entirely true Louie. Yes, the current Rico law is the "loosest" conspiracy law on the books, able to practically indict a ham sandwich as they say. But in and of itself they cannot just charge a guy with Rico, even though they may know he is a mafia member.

Prosecutors need what they call "overt acts" in furtherance of the "Rico conspiracy." Proof that each individual person they are charging committed "crimes" himself in furtherance of the group. He collected on loans. He booked sports. He ran a game, or extorted somebody. He sold drugs. Any single act can be construed as an "overt act"

Otherwise they could literally go out and round up (hundreds and hundreds) of so-called "mafia members" just because they know those men are inducted members of families.

Likewise, why stop there? The FBI and prosecutors could go out and arrest literally( thousands) of so-called "associates" of these same families for just being associated with this group. Right or wrong?

Do you see that happening? The answer is no!

There is a very good reason for that. And I just stated it in my sentences above.

Your comparing “hundreds of known associates” to a guy who was RECORDED ON TAPE being called “the acting boss” and inducting someone into the mafia..someone who was wearing a wire. Inducting someone into the mafia and being called the acting boss are Rico predicates. They show your in “control of a continuing criminal enterprise” and inducting someone is “furthering the goals and objectives of that continuing criminal enterprise”....


This is from the JR Patriarca indictment from the early 1990s

“ The essence of the RICO charge in this case is that the Defendant was the Boss of the Patriarca family of the LCN. That name derives from his late father, Raymond L.S. Patriarca, who was long understood to be the Boss of the New England organized crime family which came to bear his name”

“ The evidence, however, that the Defendant was the Boss of the Patriarca family is strong. It includes, among other things, the tape recording of the October 29, 1989, induction ceremony, which I have ruled will be admissible.[29]”


In the current case Persiano wore a wire and recorded the ceremony so he would be an extremely credible witness despite his background since it’s the defendants “in theyre own words”

“This would also be particularly unavailing, since even in the absence of any human witnesses, the tape-recorded evidence against the Defendant would remain strong on the most substantial of the charges against him.”

“ On October 29, 1989, a Mafia induction ceremony was held on Guild Street in Medford, Massachusetts, across the street from the home of an FBI agent.[57] The Defendant was present. He was introduced at the ceremony as the Boss of the family. He presided. From his participation in that ceremony, among other things, I infer that he, like the inductees, took an oath at some point in his career, and that oath included swearing his lifelong paramount loyalty to the Mafia”

That is true. But being a member of the mafia is NOT a chargeable crime in and of itself.

Although he is recorded at a ceremony. Unless they have Lancellotti on tape ACTUALLY discussing a crime. (And induction in itself is not a crime). Lancelotti should not be charged.

He could be! After all, a prosecutor could make that leap of faith as you have proposed that he IS guilty of a crime by even being at the ceremony. But I DO NOT think that many prosecutors would run with that type of weak evidence. They want, they need, "predicate criminal acts" to justify an indictment.

NOW, if his men went out to commit crimes, and they have him on tape ordering his men to do so, they he can be charged. Even though he himself didn't go out and do them. Its "conspiracy" - he's conspired.

Thats why even to this day, the Rico laws are often misunderstood by lawyers, prosecutors, and judges themselves on occasion. They are sooo complex that it gets confusing on how to properly apply Rico.

And thats also what makes Rico so scary for defendants (mafia or not). The complex "rules" of Rico muck up the waters and fuck up many a defense.(and prosecution alike). Although I admit the prosecution has a tremendous upper hand when using Rico.

I'll give you another example. Take the Hells Angels, or The Pagans MC clubs.

Those fellas even walk around with the "colors" daily. They blatantly wear their jackets and "rockers" showing their membership in those clubs.

You don't see them being rounded up for that do you? The answer is of course no!!

Because it is NOT a crime to belong to the club. even though prosecutors have designated those clubs as potential "criminal organizations"

If they cannot catch members selling guns, or dealing drugs. They are NOT charged. Why is that?

Because prosecutors need "criminal acts" - overt criminal acts, in order to form an indictment. Membership alone DOES NOT meet that criteria.

Personally I don't believe he's playing both sides, But I do think it's worth discussing it without attacking the questioner. Just my two cents

Right on.....These dudes all grew up together and super tight all family and friends know each other. There is the possibility that he has gone more of the legit world as in S Jersey and parts of philly the real estate market and rebuilding a flipping of homes has skyrocketed and its legal and probably make more money than shylocking. Not too many jobs for the mob in philly available now with several casinos in philly and PA and then AC that take sports bets via the phone; always guns and drugs available i suppose

I think we can agree to disagree on this issue. I do see some validity to what you say, but court history, and prior criminal cases bare out what I say. So I think you're argument may be more with how the prosecutors and feds are perceiving their application of the Rico laws, as opposed to us having a pissing contest here on the forum.

As I stated earlier, time will tell if he's on the "up and up" as they say, or if he's a rat. But without solid proof, I think its unfair to label anyone, mob guy or not, an informant just because he HASN'T been pinched.

There have been enough high-caliber mob rats who turned on their friends. Time will tell if he's another.

Heres an article on another guy who was "smart" and "lucky" who was an fbi snitch the entire time, pretty obvious when you think about it..Since everyone was indicted and convcited around him and he wasnt..Kinda like Lancelotti..this "smart guy" "low key wiseguy" whos been named in court testimony as a shooter and captured on tape being called a "capo regime" and been captured on tape being "the boss" and inducting someone into the mafia, not to mention probation for assualting a guy in front of a cop and having the charges dropped in a state police case because he was "misidentified" on wiretaps....I think its pretty obvious..Like Macazian told Tony 'Tone its pretty obvious if you take the blinders off"....

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/news-columns/jane-ann-morrison/lefty-rosenthal-was-an-fbi-snitch/


everyone was suspicious of Greg Scarpa because he did 30 days in jail for crimes between the 1960s-1990s meanwhile Lancelotti hasnt done a day except to serve anger management classes in a career of non stop criminal activity between the 1990s-2020s and with law enforcement having so much more at theyre disposal in this day and age vs Scarpas prime days.....


This is the case were he was "misidentified" by the state police on wiretaps and the charges were dropped aka after the FBI went to them and asked them to drop the charges......

Alleged mob-run bet ring smashed inside Borgata

By KITTY CAPARELLA
Nov. 15, 2007
Philadelphia Daily News
caparek@phillynews.com 215-854-5880

Well, you can't say the mob doesn't have chutzpah.

In a daring comeback, the Philadelphia-South Jersey Mafia allegedly made a move inside Atlantic City's hottest casino, the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa, by taking $22 million in illegal sports bets from young, hip gamblers in the casino's high-stakes poker room.

It could be the biggest mob infiltration of a casino since the Atlantic City gambling parlors opened in 1978, if defendants are convicted.

Yesterday, reputed mob capo Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancellotti, 45, and alleged soldier Anthony Nicodemo, 36, both of Philadelphia, were charged with conspiracy to promote gambling.

New Jersey Attorney General Anne Milgram identified the ringleader as Andrew Micali, 32, of Ventnor. He worked with a partner, a reputed major bookmaker, Jack M. Buscemi, 50, of Mullica Hill, N.J., who allegedly received a percentage of the gambling proceeds.

A total of 23 managers, bankers, casino employees and agents were charged in the ring.

"Micali frequently communicated with Lancellotti," according to a law-enforcement source familiar with the probe.

Micali allegedly worked with poker-room supervisor Joseph Wishnick, 42, of Brigantine. Both were charged with promoting gambling. Micali was also charged with money laundering and criminal usury.

Like a few others in the ring, Micali, Lancellotti and Nicodemo were longtime pals of jailed mob boss Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino. No mention was made of reputed current mob boss Joseph Ligambi yesterday.

Alleged mob associate Vincent Procopia, 41, of Brigatine, was charged with promoting gambling, while reputed associates Steven "Stevie Gongs" Casasanto, 37, and William DePena, 39, both of Philadelphia, were issued complaint summonses along with 16 others.

The 18 were charged with promoting gambling, money laundering or conspiracy.

Lancellotti was the highest-ranking alleged mobster arrested in a New Jersey gambling ring since 2004, when reputed underboss Joseph "Mousie" Massimino was jailed for 10 years for operating a large-scale sports-gambling ring in South Jersey and Philadelphia - a ring similar to the alleged current one.

You might say the mob operated under the nose of the New Jersey Casino Control Commission - except that the New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement; the state police-organized crime, gambling-bureaus and digital-technology units; and 10 other law-enforcement agencies worked on the 18-month probe.

Milgram said that investigators were tipped off in March 2006 by an informant as to what to look for in the overhead surveillance cameras in the poker room.

The Borgata security and surveillance departments helped investigators watch six casino employees, reputed mob associates and others in off-the-books exchanges of cash and casino chips during illegal betting in the poker room.

Gamblers learned of the illegal gaming - which authorities claimed siphoned $22 million from legitimate casino games - by word-of-mouth.

Losing gamblers were forced to borrow money at 50 percent annual interest to cover their debts.

Investigators followed the money to three Philadelphia "wire rooms," including one in a Micali-owned home, where each bettor's winnings and losses were calculated so that payouts or paybacks could be made.

During its "massive" money laundering, Milgram said, the ring used a method called "chip washing" - "taking cash, turning it into chips, 'washing' them by betting and then turning them in, and taking cash out."

During court-approved searches, Micali's bank account - with more than $200,000 - was frozen.

Also seized was $40,000 in chips and cash in Micali's safe deposit box at the Borgata, as well as gambling records, a laptop and a .357 caliber semi-automatic handgun inside his Ventnor home.

In Philadelphia, gambling records, computers, a handgun and $20,000 in cash were seized at three homes, including one owned by Micali.

This was Milgram's first big mob case, yet she was reluctant to mention the mob at an Atlantic City news conference, according to observers, even when reporters bombarded her with mob questions.

Usually in mob cases, defendants are charged with the more serious charge of racketeering conspiracy, but the AG's office charged the suspects with promoting gambling in a casino. It also issued the complaint summonses, which are like traffic tickets. The illegal operation did not affect the normal daily gaming on the casino floor, Milgram said.

"They sought to escape detection by enlisting casino employees in their crimes," Milgram said.

The casino employees charged with promoting illegal gambling included: Borgata poker-room supervisor Paul Parks, 31; Borgata poker dealers Austin Johnson-Brown, 35, and Robert McEwen, 26; Borgata bartender Matthew Weyler, 26; and Tropicana poker-room supervisor Jeffrey Ebert, 45. Ebert was also charged with criminal usury.

"I'm pleased to say they greatly underestimated our vigilance and determination to keep organized crime out of Atlantic City casinos," added Milgram.

If convicted, casino employees could lose their licenses. *

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

where i certainly dont think lance is a rat at all, i can see with louie is coming from..up here in boston, mark rosetti for years kept going in and out of the can from mid 80s til he was outed, and mark was a stone cold killer who they let run amuck..diffeerence is mark was shooting heroin in his arms for decades, and early in his life was a bank robber, so more prone to hurting citizens, which actually made what the feds did that much work..regarding questioning lance being indicted in this last indctment. i understand what you are saying louie, BUT its rico conspiracy standing alone, nothing else from what WE HAVE HEARD. im sure the feds pushed for an indictment by rattling cages etc, but they dont want to waste time and money at trial for someone to take a stand and say he administred and oath, and have the attorneys rip it apart like its the elks lodge..NOW, i know the difference, and i know it COULD constitute as a charge, but if you think somoene is getting 2 decades for that, your nuts..my opinion, feds are being patient, and looking for more to bring a real conspiracy, not just whats on that tape. again, my opinion...over the course of decades, lance has been smart and lucky. thats my opinion...

He's just one of many such "dry" snitches who have permeated the underworld over the years. Lefty was a jerk off. Essentially a Jewish "frontman" who really didn't fit into the equation except for the casinos he managed for mafiosi. An "outsider" so to speak.

Nobody is questioning that there are plenty of rats, uncover rats, and blatant rats.

But what's that got to do with what I said in my previous statements? Nothing.