Any murders ties to KC mob?

Definitely. If you read through my expose on them at the top our this thread. I lay out a whole list of gangland-slayings. Mostly from the 1970s +/-, but some earlier ones as well through their history

I was wrong to write,there are murders tied to KC mafia after the 2000?
I also made a KC mafia hitlist and the last murder that I found was Harold Ash in 1996,you have more infos than me,so I asked.

@ NYMafia Frank DeLuna would be in his 80s. He was also one of the several mafiosi listed in the Missouri Gaming Commission's "Black Book."

I don't doubt it. He's one of the last holdovers from the originals. But just as in NYC, the Youngers guys 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, even 70s, are the active members. Fellas in their 80s (if they're even still active), lay back and earn. Maybe they have a few younger guys around them who do the legwork. A guy like this could be a senior advisor (if not "officially" designated as a consigliere), etc.

In NYC we've got plenty of fellas in their 80s who ares still active. The fella I posted up yesterday, Michael (Mike Rosie) Maione. He was active until the night he died, at 97 years old. Amazing!

Die hards! Truly.

Just to clear up a couple items - KC always associated with and answered to Chicago, not Detroit.

Also, Detroit is not closest in proximity to KC....Chicago is. You go through Chicago if you’re traveling from KC to Detroit.

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You're absolutely correct Ben, on both points. The reason why I said Detroit and not Chicago, is because Detroit is very stable and solid, with a full hierarchy. Whereas Chicago is all messed up in recent years, and a shell of what they were. I doubt they can even handle their own problems, let alone "service" another borgata or regime nowadays.

I truly believed that Detroit is the more stable "power" among the midwest borgatas and CN affiliates today.

When i have time i will correct your chart, you have dead people listed and at least one none associated person listed and your missing at least 20 known associates and there have been numerous deaths over the past two years.

Frank Deluna is alive and kicking, he eats at Jasper's which is owned by the son and nephew of two old time made members, Lenard Mirabilie and Jasper Mirabilie Sr. Their first bar was on 12th street which at the time was the red light district with mob owned bars and eating joints, It was the closing of this street to build the convention center which started the River Quey mob war. Nick Labruzzo is still around but not active.

Just some history, the scariest guy I ever met was Willie Cammisano, he had dead eyes, when he looked at you his eyes were just dead like he was looking right through you. Reminded me of a great white shark. Willie Jr. has the same dead eyes just not as dark. Carl Deluna who was every bit the killer as Willie had grandfather eyes, as a kid I really liked him, Willie scared the shit out of me as a kid.

I welcome the corrections. Give me a breakdown and I'll insert the changes ok

NYMafia, its my understanding that in your paper I am told you listed Carl Deluna as a rat. I would seriously like to know your source and evidence of this. Tuff was as gangster as they get, he servied more years than most in the Vegas skim. When he got out although old he was still gangster, I am gonna have to call bullshit on that unless you can come up with some solid evidence.

Tuffy was as real as they get...he was a fucking animal but 100% no rat...he did decades in prison. Never ratted. Murdered Gargotta and Binnagio among many many others....

I think you two are correct.

Because of the voluminous notes Tuffy DeLuna kept regarding all the monetary collections and payoffs from the LV casino skim, which led to the arrests, trials, convictions, and long jail terms the Chicago, Cleveland, KC, and Milwaukee crews received, it was said that his actions were rat moves that put everyone in the soup.

But in actuality, he hadn't done it on purpose to give anyone up. The meticulous records he kept was because he was afraid of fucking up other guys monies and getting in trouble for mismanagement of the casino skim.

So I gotta agree, I don't believe he turned "rat" per se. He only messed up badly which "led" to the extensive prosecution evidence that was used to convict them all. He also went to the can for a lengthy period.
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Note: I also don't know where I had gotten the specific term that DeLuna had ratted. But for me to include it, It must have been clearly stated somewhere and obviously it's wrong.
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What I do know is that after their convictions, Joey Aiuppa and the other Chicago bosses viewed all the Kansas City guys; Civella, DeLuna, etc., as "persona non-grata" because of the way they're stupidity brought everyone down.

In fact, it was documented by the feds and printed in the papers that Chicago broke off all ties and communication with the Civella Family afterwards. It created a lot of bad blood between them. So much so, that when Aiuppa and Carl Civella were in the federal prison hospital infirmary together, Aiuppa wouldn't even look at Civella, and Corky couldn't even get an "verbal audience" with Aiuppa anymore.
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But good catch men! .... (at least I know your reading my articles closely) Lol

Like the man said, "nobody's perfect".... but we try! Lol

He kept records because he was taking out money for expenses from the skim and when your dealing w someone like Auppia who was completely ruthless ,if he even thinks your skimming your dead and Nick Civella to for that matter

Yep. They were taskmasters I'm sure. most are. and for that kind of money, if they even vaguely suspect you 'might' be playing a game.... you're gone!

Tuffy DeLuna was one of the biggest gangsters in US history.

100% they really don’t get the recognition they deserve atleast when it comes to the public..The outfit really owned the town and Tuffy Deluna and his crew we’re really the enforcement arm of the Outfit from the 50s into the 1980s along with Willie but really Tuffy and Charlie,Ragoose and Vince Abbott mowed people down and cleared the way for the Outfit to own the City not to mention witnesses who attempted to testify like former Teamsters and the guy against the Omaha Wiseguys...

agreed. I think I'm pretty knowledgeable on OC, although admittedly I was never really up on KC. But I was very surprised at the level of corruption and racketeering in KC.

Huge by comparison to what I thought it was.

borgata lineup!

interesting dialogue

“His demeanor was very vulgar, coarse and he used many profanities” – The Kansas City Mob and Las Vegas skim

https://gangstersinc.ning.com/profi...lgar-coarse-and-he-used-many-profanities

Tuff kept those records because he was using his own money to transport the skim, he was constantly getting screwed out of traveling expense money. He kept the records to show who got what and then he claimed what he felt covered his expenses. The records, the cash in uncle nicks attic and many other things are the result of a group who did not realize their iron grip on the city, the courts and the police were fading, due mostly to technology. As for Tuffy, he was like a grandfather to me, treated me like I was his own, he and Rags (Ragusa) while dangerous and killers, they did not live that role 24 hours a day.. Franky is a lot like his brother, without the flash temper, he is a lot like Uncle Nick, he is a thinker and well read.

Vince Abbot and Vinnie Picone were the up and comming members of the Cammisano crew. A name that many dont speak about was Phil Balano, he was a dangerous guy, a lot of them seem to be drawn to Willie's crew which while a part of the family Nick allowed them to function almost as their own family. But it was Willie crew or Tuffys Clique that would be called if heavy work needed to be put in.

Thanks for sharing Joey. I think a lot of people want to know more about Tuffy. He's the minor character who accidentally plays a critical role in a three hour epic film. If you don't mind me asking, what was the Don to UB relationship like with him and Civella? Sometimes the UB can be an errand boy like Tommy Bilotti, sometimes he has the complete trust to run the family if the boss gets sick or takes the day off.

Tuff was very close to Nick and Cork, Nick trusted him to do the heavy lifting and to run the family if need be. The Deluna's and Civella's are related by marriage Tuff's sister was married to Anthony Civella. He was a tough guy, very smart. What hurt the family the most was the new technology used by law enforcement and their inability to change with the times.

Did KC ever tell Omaha or Colorado what to do?

Yes Kansas City was trying hard to open up in Omaha, they put Diabasi (dont remember the spelling) in up there and had Castanso and Buster Balestere up there to be his heavy lifters and they reported back to Nick. As for Colorado they were not over them, but worked close with the Smaldones into the 80's, In fact when the mob wanted to open Bazookas, the first juice bar in KC, they knew they could not get a license so they had the guys in colorado open up a business called I believe Scope pictures of Denver, they installed a clean face, Dick Snow to head it, he then opened up Bazookas in KC and bought out a porno theatere called The Strand. Allowing them to open up in an old Mob owned theater known as the Dove. Kansas City also tried to open up prostitution and Gambling in Grove OK, which is on the Grand Lakes of the Cherokees. They sent Nate Brancato and Jimmy Duardi down there. they almost got it done but they ran into trouble with the mayor or Prosecutor who wanted more money. Jimmy D and Nate hired a guy named King who got caught with some explosives which were meant as a cooperation aid, this traced baclk to Jimmy and Nate who ended up doing time. I know the feds tagged someone in the leadership as an unindicted coconspirator. Every time the family farmed out work like this to peckerwoods, it always ended up bad, when they kept the work in house they eliminated a lot of issues.

Furio read up about Phil Corbin who was murdered sometime around 2004.Phil was the Grandson of Joe Cammiosano, Willie's brother. Long story short he was not indicted when a long list of people were in a dope conspiracy involving members of the Mexican gangs and Members of associates of the family, Chuck Mortina, Cusimano and others.