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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
[Re: Louiebynochi]
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Red Wemette just confirmed again that John Difronzo was an FBI Informant and that he was told this directly by Mitch Mars and John Scully who the prosecutors in the Family Secrets case..... https://youtu.be/iHijKJfWXyQAll it confirms is Wemmette said it twice. Personally until I see the paperwork I don't buy it about DiFronzo. The Feds would have made him into A CW when he was vulnerable on the Family Secrets case. Also this is the Outfit. Boss isn't necessarily the most important position. Look at Accardo all those years. That pizza dinner that Chuck Goudi ran up and tried to interview DiFronzo on. Look at that footage of the high echelon mob members and tell me who was getting the most deference out of them.
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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03/17/21 09:47 PM
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Anything is possible
However, I look at it this way.
they didn't need him for the Family Secrets case
Where are the indicments from his cooperation?
Also the Feds never penetrated the Outfit like they did in N.Y. wouldn't a boss have been an HUGE TROPHY?? Wouldn't they hope by exposing him as a RAT that it would have a similar effect as when Gravano, flipped and there was a race for others to cut a deal.
So the Feds flipped a boss of the Outfit or an U.B. and the never got their day in the Sun? No book deals for the agents that did the work? No promotions? No one got credit for it?
No one got in trouble? Who did his cooperation bring down? What happened to Family Secrets 2? --- Very well stated! And your words make a lot of sense.
all that makes sense. at that level, the G would want the credit and glory that goes with it
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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People love saying wiseguys, especially the respected stand up ones, were rats anytime the rumor pops up. Joe Watts, DiFronzo, anyone. These guys love saying it about others to justify their own behavior, and people on the internet who love saying it are just looking for an excuse to gossip. The FBI does everything to protect anyone who cooperates' identity, even after they are dead. Yet there they are, people claiming they are researchers who discovered a rat, or believing a known one (Gravano, Alite) who wants to bring others down to his level.
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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People love saying wiseguys, especially the respected stand up ones, were rats anytime the rumor pops up. Joe Watts, DiFronzo, anyone. These guys love saying it about others to justify their own behavior, and people on the internet who love saying it are just looking for an excuse to gossip. The FBI does everything to protect anyone who cooperates' identity, even after they are dead. Yet there they are, people claiming they are researchers who discovered a rat, or believing a known one (Gravano, Alite) who wants to bring others down to his level. I actually think these people live in their mother's basements and have never been with a woman. Check for the insults they use. They're talking about themselves. I'd put money on it
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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How is the same guy saying the same thing a confirmation of anything. Now a different outfit associate/member coming out and saying the same thing as wemmette is a confirmation. Also the accuracy of who was boss of outfit after accardos death is wrong to some extent. So him being told by fbi prosecutors isn’t enough proof and the fact that Difronzo was indicted and was let out of jail after 8 months in the 90s on “a technicality†when no one else was and the high ranking member of the outfit who was giving information for years , bearing in mind there was only 28 or so made members at the time and only a handful who were high ranking and everyone else basically did heavy prison time. Not to mention the fact everyone that Nick Calabrese named in family secrets as being at the Spilotro hit was indicted on the murder, if they were doing heavy prison time already or dead EXCEPT for Difronzo And that’s straight from Nick Calabrese. There’s no one anyone can tell me is more credible to say who the boss was then him. He was the only made member of the outfit ever to flip. The veracity of his information can’t be questioned. There’s are no other made members that flipped
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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How is the same guy saying the same thing a confirmation of anything. Now a different outfit associate/member coming out and saying the same thing as wemmette is a confirmation. Also the accuracy of who was boss of outfit after accardos death is wrong to some extent. So him being told by fbi prosecutors isn’t enough proof and the fact that Difronzo was indicted and was let out of jail after 8 months in the 90s on “a technicality†when no one else was and the high ranking member of the outfit who was giving information for years , bearing in mind there was only 28 or so made members at the time and only a handful who were high ranking and everyone else basically did heavy prison time. Not to mention the fact everyone that Nick Calabrese named in family secrets as being at the Spilotro hit was indicted on the murder, if they were doing heavy prison time already or dead EXCEPT for Difronzo And that’s straight from Nick Calabrese. There’s no one anyone can tell me is more credible to say who the boss was then him. He was the only made member of the outfit ever to flip. The veracity of his information can’t be questioned. There’s are no other made members that flipped So you want people to take the word of a rat that the people he ratted on were the rats? DiFronzo washed 8 months, if he was an informer he would never have done those 8 months. Like Scarpa. Scarpa's son told of how rumors of him working with the feds started in the 1970's when everyone involved with him was being arrested and jailed, while Greg Scarpa was not touched.
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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How is the same guy saying the same thing a confirmation of anything. Now a different outfit associate/member coming out and saying the same thing as wemmette is a confirmation. Also the accuracy of who was boss of outfit after accardos death is wrong to some extent. So him being told by fbi prosecutors isn’t enough proof and the fact that Difronzo was indicted and was let out of jail after 8 months in the 90s on “a technicality†when no one else was and the high ranking member of the outfit who was giving information for years , bearing in mind there was only 28 or so made members at the time and only a handful who were high ranking and everyone else basically did heavy prison time. Not to mention the fact everyone that Nick Calabrese named in family secrets as being at the Spilotro hit was indicted on the murder, if they were doing heavy prison time already or dead EXCEPT for Difronzo And that’s straight from Nick Calabrese. There’s no one anyone can tell me is more credible to say who the boss was then him. He was the only made member of the outfit ever to flip. The veracity of his information can’t be questioned. There’s are no other made members that flipped So you want people to take the word of a rat that the people he ratted on were the rats? DiFronzo washed 8 months, if he was an informer he would never have done those 8 months. Like Scarpa. Scarpa's son told of how rumors of him working with the feds started in the 1970's when everyone involved with him was being arrested and jailed, while Greg Scarpa was not touched. He became an informant when he got convicted in the early 90s. It’s why he was let out and never indicted again. It’s pretty obvious if you take the blinders off
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
[Re: Louiebynochi]
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How is the same guy saying the same thing a confirmation of anything. Now a different outfit associate/member coming out and saying the same thing as wemmette is a confirmation. Also the accuracy of who was boss of outfit after accardos death is wrong to some extent. So him being told by fbi prosecutors isn’t enough proof and the fact that Difronzo was indicted and was let out of jail after 8 months in the 90s on “a technicality†when no one else was and the high ranking member of the outfit who was giving information for years , bearing in mind there was only 28 or so made members at the time and only a handful who were high ranking and everyone else basically did heavy prison time. Not to mention the fact everyone that Nick Calabrese named in family secrets as being at the Spilotro hit was indicted on the murder, if they were doing heavy prison time already or dead EXCEPT for Difronzo And that’s straight from Nick Calabrese. There’s no one anyone can tell me is more credible to say who the boss was then him. He was the only made member of the outfit ever to flip. The veracity of his information can’t be questioned. There’s are no other made members that flipped So you want people to take the word of a rat that the people he ratted on were the rats? DiFronzo washed 8 months, if he was an informer he would never have done those 8 months. Like Scarpa. Scarpa's son told of how rumors of him working with the feds started in the 1970's when everyone involved with him was being arrested and jailed, while Greg Scarpa was not touched. He became an informant when he got convicted in the early 90s. It’s why he was let out and never indicted again. It’s pretty obvious if you take the blinders off . That’s correct
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
[Re: VitoCahill]
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After accardos death in 92 Sam Carlisli became boss until his 94 conviction for gambling along with James Marcello et al. James Marcello was Street boss of the Melrose park crew reporting direct to Carlisli from before his 92 ascension to top boss. Marcello and the Melrose park ceased to have power after 94 imprisonment. Marcello only regained Street boss position in 2003-2005 making him briefly the 3 man in outfit. Joseph aiuppa did not retain title of boss after 86 imprisonment because he was never top boss. Accardo was the top boss of outfit from 1943-1992 enough said. No ub or sb ever retained title while imprisoned maybe a reason why the outfit functioned so well they didn't allow admin members to cling to power from jail. Boss1,underboss2,Street boss3 from what I can tell from alot of research is the outfit did not have a consigliere position. John Monteleone served as street boss from 1993-2001 the year of his death. At same time and I know some will find this hard to believe he also served as capo of the 26th St crew. Many outfit leaders held dual roles. Monteleone took over SB duties upon difronzos 93 imprisonment in the Indian casino case which Carlisli was acquitted in. Al tornabene took over territory left from Carlisli,Marcello crew and parts of Cicero crew as that part of outfit had recently been decimated by indictments. Being a senior member he acted as advisor to admin. And to say that difronzo was a rat would by the same rational make Joseph andriacchi a rat but I don't hear any of that on this forum possibly because he is to my knowledge still alive. What your saying is not true. According to Nick Calabrese who is a million times more credible than “vito Cahill†the Internet poster. Auippa remained the official boss until he died and Carlisi was succeeded by Monteleone and then Marcello and Andriacchi wasnt let out on a made up technicality and was said by Nick Calabrese to be at the Spilotro murder and wasn’t indicted, Difronzo was . Though I do believe John Difronzo got Pete and him a pass from the Govt and maybe they knew that and maybe they didn’t. Oh and Paul Ricca had just as much power as Accardo when he was alive until he got sick and indicted in the late 1960s
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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People love saying wiseguys, especially the respected stand up ones, were rats anytime the rumor pops up. Joe Watts, DiFronzo, anyone. These guys love saying it about others to justify their own behavior, and people on the internet who love saying it are just looking for an excuse to gossip. The FBI does everything to protect anyone who cooperates' identity, even after they are dead. Yet there they are, people claiming they are researchers who discovered a rat, or believing a known one (Gravano, Alite) who wants to bring others down to his level. Not always the case the Feds play "DIRTY" "DIRTY" look at Willie Boy Johnson. (I know it was the State however, State O.C. is almost the same as the Feds) Sometimes when the Feds, want to Squeeze you they will let it out that you are a C.I. or Rat, so LCN, turns on you, they are hoping, LCN marks you for death, so you come running for protection. I think that whats they were trying to do to Jr. that Queen, for a day shit, so was supposed to be top secret. I wonder how many guys went Queen for a day, now if that always got out no one would do it. I believe they thought they had jr. on the ropes and if they leaked out his 302's everyone would turn on him and Jr. would run to feds for protection and fully cooperate take the stand. They probably did the same thing with Watts, they thought he was on the ropes and said ok lets feed the story to Capeci and get it out there, ' Some guys when the think their family is coming after them thye hold their ground and say come and get me. Some guys like Pennessi, Al D'Arco, Pete Chiodo just to name a few run to the feds and fully cooperate.
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Re: John Difronzo fbi informant confirmed again
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[quote=jace] Sometimes when the Feds, want to Squeeze you they will let it out that you are a C.I. or Rat, so LCN, turns on you, they are hoping, LCN marks you for death, so you come running for protection.
I think that whats they were trying to do to Jr. that Queen, for a day shit, so was supposed to be top secret.
I wonder how many guys went Queen for a day, now if that always got out no one would do it.
I believe they thought they had jr. on the ropes and if they leaked out his 302's everyone would turn on him and Jr. would run to feds for protection and fully cooperate take the stand.
They probably did the same thing with Watts, they thought he was on the ropes and said ok lets feed the story to Capeci and get it out there, '.
Good post. I can definitely see the Feds/ LE doing this. Especially with Watts.
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