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Re: Poor Freddy
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04/19/21 07:42 AM
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Doesn't Michael tell Tom that he has power over Fredo and his men? Tom as the don, yes. It's hard to imagine Michael discussing Fredo's enterprises with him. One mistake Michael and Vito share is having a family member halfway in the Family, taking a living from the illegal side but not involved in the larger enterprise. It's a breeding ground for resentment.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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Re: Poor Freddy
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04/29/21 10:11 PM
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"Fredo and his men" is one of those script anomalies that pop up so often in the Trilogy. In NY, Vito and then Michael had real Mafia regimes with capos over them to conduct illegal business and provide muscle. In Nevada, though, Michael's businesses were legitimate and, as far as we see in II, security was under Rocco, probably hired guys not made men or associates. If Fredo had men under him (a regime), what would he need them for? The chart shown at the Senate hearing listed "Caporegimes" but it was historical and included Tessio and Clemenza, as well as Sonny.
Fredo was a minor figure in GF and in the novel. He was somewhat weak and ineffectual in the novel, but the movies portrayed him as an idiot. Ironically, that treatment made his betrayal of Michael, and the boathouse scene, all the more powerful and shocking.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Poor Freddy
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04/30/21 09:04 AM
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I think that the Fredo character may have put Coppola in a serious bind. The Freddy of the novel is, as TB says, a minor character, but that's of necessity because he is designed not to have an inner life. Lack of passion and introspection define him, so there's nothing to emerge on film.
So they replace that guy with the weak and stupid persona. Cazale knocks that out of the park, and Fredo gets upped for a big role in the GF2 script. But, that stifles the script in a way that leaves some of our neverending questions not just unanswered, but unanswerable. If Fredo says his boys killed the shooters, if he says that the plan was for Mike to be kidnapped, then when Fredo is shot in the back of the neck the audience will applaud. Coppola can't have that and still have his tragedy, so no one can tell the audience what actually happened.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
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