. Yup this happened right around the time when Roy got made and they told him no more unsanctioned murders which obviously fell on deaf ears

You say it was unsanctioned, then it is not a mob hit.

. Yeah that was brutal. Obviously a good amount of women victims as well

Come to think of it The Gemini Crew, as usual, have a list of civilian hits some sanctioned, some not.
Patrick Penny
Khalid Daoud
Ronald Falcaro
Frederick Todaro
etc, etc, etc

That’s about 25 mob murders of innocent people by the New York Mob between the 70s and the early 90s

Let me get this straight, the kill rats rule only applies to men and we're supposed to cry because this rat was a woman and even better yet very pretty? You gotta be joking.

[quote=CNote]Come to think of it The Gemini Crew, as usual, have a list of civilian hits some sanctioned, some not.
Patrick Penny
Khalid Daoud
Ronald Falcaro
Frederick Todaro
etc, etc, etc[

/quote] yup and there are even more that arent made public

The Italian mob is even more brutal than the American one as far as civilian victims are concerned; one of the worst examples I forgot to post earlier:

The Pizzolungo massacre (Strage di Pizzolungo) - 2 April 1985, in the Trapani province in Sicily: Two 6-year-old boys and their mother (Barbara, Giuseppe and Salvatore Asta) were blown up with a bomb while in their car; the bombers were trying to kill a judge who was in another car, but botched the job by making it explode at the wrong moment.

A curiosity: the senator Marcello Dell'Utri (one of the founders of the Forza Italia political party), is a friend of the mafia boss Vincenzo Virga, who was one of those who ordered this bombing. Dell'Utri and Virga were even convicted once for doing extortions together.

And religuous world leaders probably have killed billions so the fuck what.

some of you people need a good slap

Answers for me are

Dominick Ragucci

and

Giuseppe Di Matteo

let me get this straight, you want to glorify raping, murdering, criminal pieces of shit, and we are supposed to think they are cool because they didnt tell on their friend when they went to jail

you'd be in the list of people needing a good slap

wow sammy got his ass kicked then comes back to shot gun that guy who beat him up.. he has to b the biggest pussy in the history of mobsters. well my fault a lot of them are like that. good info buddy. but after hearing this how did they not ever lock him up and throw away the key....

Did he beat gravano up previously? The article is a little confusing on that.

Or was he merely in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Uh, we've been down this road several times here. Yes standing up and facing the music without selling anyone out is honorable, in fact it's one of the most honorable and selfless things someone could do!

I don't see DillyDolly glorifying anyone. As for the rest of what you say, I think the "Raping, murdering, pieces of shit" comment is ludicrous. You and a few others love to denounce instead of discuss the mafia. Get off your soap box, and get truthful, please.

We all got our opinions, but your "Ay yo! I'mma smack yo ass!" horseshit whenever you disagree with someone is ridiculous to say the least. I'm willing to bet you couldn't punch your way out of a wet paper bag.

What rock did you crawl out from under? Lol

A good slap? Guys like you don't even deserve a slap. Maybe a backhand though. Lol... or a good kick in the pants like a little kid

Another internet-keyboard tough guy

As I've often said in the past: "Internet muscles are worse than whiskey muscles :-)"

. Yeah the Ragucci killing was the toughest for me because it was the absolute wrong place wrong time and he was just a kid

CNote- dating more than one high ranking mafia guy and than going on a job interview with a guy that the neighborhood calls the "GRIM REAPER" isn't innocent to me sorry.

I am not saying she deserved to die but play with fire and you will get burned.

Sometimes it is that simple

One civilian is too many.

You know what comes to mind is the Gotti tape when he says in 10 years they will miss John Gotti.

For an organization that has controlled O.C. in America for over 100 years.

I think the # isn't terrible.

Could you imagine what the #'s would look li kn e is MS-13 was controlling crime.

I mean its in the rules you dont hurt civilians.

You think M.S. 13 or any of the gangs even give two shit about civilians?

LCN- was and is the only group of criminals that even cared enough to bring up the subject.

Think about it some gangs target innocent people to kill to be initiated into the gang.

So LCN will kill you if a member kills a civilian..

Think about the difference for a minute.

Who would you rather have control crime?

Because crime will always exist.

With out some sort of control you have anarchy

What about Robert Kubecka and his brother-in-law Donald Barstow? They were gunned down for not joining a waste-hauling cartel owned by Sal Avellino.

BensonHURST, she definitely wasn't an innocent and there is some evidence that the Feds were intrigued in getting her to talk about Little Allie Boy but not that she ever did say anything. Sammy the Bull claims that Persico became jealous that she found an FBI agent attractive and asked Scarpa to take care of her. Another story is that Lin Delvecchio, the FBI agent working with Scarpa, told him she was informing on Persico, even though she hadn't seen him in months and had no idea where he was.

Throughout the history or Italian organized crime there have been repeated instances of 'civilians' getting clipped for one reason or another. But it was very rare, and actually in conflict with a formal dictate from the Commission. Yet, there were exceptions.

But in the last 3 or 4 decades its become more of a free for all. But thats true of CN overall so it stands to reason that it trickles down to all the rules also. (hurting innocents also)

Unfortunately

One of the biggest problems is when the 'boss' and hierarchy of a family is disrupted through arrests, imprisonment, or violence. It leads to a disruption of affairs and is a problem that many crews can overcome. But once this disruption is related over and over the bench gets thin and there are less capable guys raising to man the helm.

All you need to do is see who is 'there' now, as opposed to say, 1950, 1960, or so. A completely different caliber of wiseguy. Guys who never would never have even been 'made' years back now find themselves in a 'bosses' spot.

"Associates" years ago were sharper, smarter, tougher, and better much earners than most soldiers and capos operating today. (FACT).

What a sorry state of affairs as far as the rank and file memberships go nowadays. Very sad and very bad for CN for sure

Michael Donahue in Boston was killed along with Brian Halloran. Sure he wasn’t an intended victim but still a innocent victim. Also bulger/Glenni murdered Debbie Davis and Deborah Hussey

Again the argument to be made aho would you rather controlling the crime where you ljve?

A LCN Capo, or MS-13 or some other gang*

There will always be crime, drugs, prostitution gambling...

Think about that long and hard.

Because LCN in America and we know it barley exists anymore.

Out in the open where you can walk into a social club and talk to these guys.

They are very few and far in between.

If because of all this money printing we head into a bad recession and the city has to cut down on police and essential services, which is what most likely will happen.

Would you feel ok if your wife and your children had to wall by a social club or a cafe or a MS-13 gang meeting spot.

There will always be crime that is a fact.
???

If BLM existed in the 1990's you know what neighborhood they would NEVER COME TO?

In the 1970's crime in NYC was terrible, NYC was the biggest shit hole

In my neighborhood in the 1970's most people didnt even lock their front doors
No need to.

If and when things get that bad again.

People will be begging for the John Gotti's in the world to open a social club in their neighborhood.

. Well I certainly agree with you about BLM they are basically terrorists