Thats your prerogative DD. But what MM says is spot on IMO

For example, people say that in prison you can't go and do whatever you want, well it's the same thing out here. When you're on the clock under a boss man's thumb, putting up with people you don't like, having your hard-earned paycheck skimmed by Uncle Sam, not being able to do shit that you please, it's the same or worse as incarceration.

Imagine that, you're looking at a 40 year sentence and some how magically manage to get it knocked down to 3.5 years while your friend gets 20 years.

You can’t be serious. You don’t actually believe working for a living is as bad or worse as prison...inside you can’t be around women, inside your constantly on guard for the fact that something could pop off any minute and you could be murdered, inside your around people that are smuggling contraband in they’re asshole,inside a guard tells you when to shit and piss and your meals are at an assigned time everyday and you don’t get a choice what your gonna eat they tell you and you can only see your family on assigned days at assigned hours. And you have to see the shitty doctors that they tell you , you don’t have a choice(cause we all know the best docs would choose to be a prison doctor haha)Yeah same thing as being on the clock working under the boss man...

Sometimes I forget that most members on here are American, but yeah...I definitely assume that your average US prison is rough. And penalties are severe.

I can say however that prison over here where I live in Western Europe is a walk in the park.

It's pretty simple, "Keep your mouth and never rat on your friends."

What you're talking about mainly pertains to state prisons, wiseguys go to relaxed federal lockups where they play racquet ball and plant tomato gardens, with some good nightly card games thrown in for kicks. Only exceptions are mob fellas like John Gotti and Vincent Basciano, because they really pissed off the government, so they were put in supermax. But generally speaking? Shit, their prisons are a walk in the park compared to the ones your average criminal goes to, and that's facts!

No way, the federal max prisons are just as bad as state ones. The myth of feral prisons being easier came into play when a few minimum security places started putting in tennis courts Basketball courts are considered "Ghetto" while tennis was seen as a country club activity. There are many fed lockups where Mafia members are doing time that none of us would even want to work in, let alone be an inmate in one.

I have seen tons of wiseguy prison photos and they ALL look like they're having a blast to me. Some are even able to smuggle their sperm out and impregnate women. They're not stuck in shitty state prisons where people are getting stabbed and raped everyday, I know that for a FACT! Sure something can pop off every once and a while, but for the most part? Pfff!

Some wiseguys are doing hard time, like Gotti and Basciano because they humiliated the government. But most of them aren't. Are they in an ideal place? Of course not! Are they somewhere I would wanna be? Of course not! But I don't think it's bad enough to become a rat and risk losing your gangster legacy, all of your respect, and having your relatives turn their backs on you. Just do your time, it's that simple.

They smile and act like it's ok, but that is because if a man mopes and complains in prison he is not going to last. As for prison rapes in state prisons, that is also extremely exaggerated. Stabbings and attacks do happen, but over the dumbest things. true for federal as well as state prisons.

Yeah I always kinda thought the rapes were exaggerated.

Like jace was saying, they put on a bit of an act for the photo session. Basciano in particular really plays it up for the camera, even in ADX Florence he tries to make it look like he is enjoying himself but nobody can enjoy themselves by spending 23 hours a day in a cell.

Here Basciano is in ADX Florence trying his best to make it look like he is happy, but being surrounded by a cage makes it embarrassingly obvious that his happy demeanor is only an act.
https://cz.pinterest.com/pin/578431145866372916/

He's like: "look at this big enormous recreational cage they let me hang out in for a whole hour per day"

What about an enemy?, what about a terrorist?, what about a child molester?, can I rat on them?

In the Mafia there is supposed to be no cooperation with law enforcement, other street gangs or people in that type of life may feel ratting on an enemy is ok. In the older days I think the Mafia would kill a child molester or terrorists themselves, although it's ironic that if caught they would be the ones going to prison. Now I think that they may handle it different, it's a completely generation of Mafia members and their way of life has definitely changed. They let known rats live in the open, I can't see that happening if it were the 1940's.

Nawww, when you choose to live the life, choose the street as your place of business, your career, your mistress, then you embrace all that comes with it. Don't do the Crime if you can't do the time, if you break the law and are victimized in the process, you don't run to the fucking police, you step the fuck up and handle your business. If you need backup then get it, someone puts a number on your back, then go out like a man and take your medicine and take as many enemies as you can with you. As for terrorists, rapists and child molesters, I don't think it would unreasonable to state that they don't even merit existence on this planet. If I recall correctly the Gemini Crew took care of a rapist and a child molester, maybe on a contract, maybe not, dismemberment should be their portion in life.

1940s? That wouldn't have happened even in the 1990s.

He may not be the happiest camper, but it still don't look bad enough to justify all the ratting and living a disgraced life in the Witness Protection Program. And he was alleged to have plotted to have a prosecutor killed, that's why he's in supermax. If not for that he'd be playing the guitar and ping-pong with all the other imprisoned wiseguys I've seen. Not every wiseguy gets thrown in a cage like that, only the ones who really really rubbed the government the wrong way.

They would take care of child milestors unless the child molestor paid them money for kids or watched they’re tapes. Then they were ok.........disgusting....

Some funny comments on this thread. I'm not judging anyone but I find it odd that the same people who detest "rats" and use the argument they took an oath and are no good scum for breaking it don't seem to care about these same guys who for example took an oath of marriage and break it but they're not scum. I could name other examples but it comes down to what you believe in and don't believe. My example is only to counter the argument "they took an oath" broke it and therefor are scum. All kinds of oaths are taken by all sorts of people and are broken. So the mere fact they broke an oath as a mafia member makes them hated. Not the fact they're murderers, drug dealers, thieves etc. Sounds like a bunch of apologists for the ones who don't violate this oath in order to hold them in some strange esteem. Odd to me that the "oath" is this new 11th commandment and just for the record, these criminals pretty much destroy all of the other 10, and no one cares, LOL. Again, not judging just an observation

How old are you? You have some pretty out there takes!

It seems like some of the mafia families need to use this board for recruitment. Tons of stone cold gangsters that would never rat.

Dilly should be immediately elevated to capo too.... he’s not only not scared of prison he thinks it’s better then being free! And he would never tarnish his gangster legacy if he was facing a long prison sentence!!

Homers77, you're right. Like I said a lot of funny comments by some folks. I agree with you

And if I recall correctly I believe the Gemini Crew boss was in the child porn business.

Or the child molester is a big earner like Sally Burns, and in that case the family boss and will protect them.

Yeah, I've heard that rumor and that Roy actually pimped children out but nobody is on record saying that or bringing up proof that he actually peddled porn himself directly. He was involved with a porn ring in a Times Square operation and also owned a porn shop and strip joint in Jersey that he was adding prostitution to. Most of these were operations he got into through shylocking.when they couldn't make the Vig and had to bring him in for a piece of the operation.

Even rats have to take an oath when they step into the witness stand.

Nino found out about Roy dealing in kiddie porn and threatened to kill him if he continued. Roy continued anyway and Nino turned a blind eye to it and carried on accepting tribute money knowing where it came from.

What freedoms do you actually have out here, working around the clock with a boss cracking a proverbial whip over your back, giving up your time just for a paycheck to pay bills for a house you never get to stay in, and oh yeah while you're on the clock you have to deal with coworkers you have to pretend to like (same with inmates if you were in prison) and you can't come and go as you please (just like prison) they got you by the balls! I can draw parallels all day between so-called "freedom" and prison, it's really no difference. In some cases it's even worse out here. So no if I was a legendary gangster I would gladly take my life sentence and my 3 free hot meals a day and ping-pong and board games. Has nothing to do with being tough, nobody is being tortured, nobody's having their fingernails peeled back or their toes cut off. Please! Gimme a fucking break 🙄

That depends, situation you explained is someone who is very unhappy with his life. Living just to survive

I just get tired of everyone trying to justify snitching, to be honest most of these rats resurface later in worse shape than they would've been if they just did their time. A few were found sleeping in their cars because they were abandoned by the government that they helped (karma lol) and look at Henry Hill, straight up junkie and alcoholic and known as a snitch for the rest of his life. No by comparison prison doesn't seem any worse, if anything it would've been better.