That's like claiming you served in the trenches during WW1 when in fact you were the cook far back from the front lines.

. Very True 😂

And how would you possibly know where and how I might have served in WWi as you say, in what trenches, and in what capacity?

That's quite a leap isn't it my friend? If I say that I am MORE (much more) familiar with, and closer to, these type of situations than most, maybe you should consider the statement for what I said and for what it's possibly worth (as opposed to trying to force a square peg into a round hole just to win the discussion) no?

As I said earlier, I don't speak flippantly. But when I make a statement like that you can take it to the bank.

I'm not gonna have a pissin contest with you over the semantics and particulars of it. There is no reward for me at the end whether you accept what I say or don't accept what I say.

It's 'no skin off my nose one way or the other' as the old saying goes..... it is what it is. and you're free to believe as you like. But I still stand by the statements I make, and the advice that I gave here.

Lets try and met half way on this?

Lets just agree that nobody can know for certain if they will roll on their friends or enemies until they are staring at a lengthy prison sentence. Can we agree on that? if so, we can also agree that you are more familiar and closer to these types of situations than most people, but you've just never been in those situations personally.

Agreed?

Exactly how I play it, although I didn't always stay within my boundaries, but that has changed.



Yep playing tough guy is a fun game until shit hits the fan and cops are knocking at your door then suddenly nobody wants to play anymore.

Cafaro son was never inducted,Scarpa son get 40 y for drug trafficking in the late 1980s but was considerated a rat like his father,d'arco son followed his father in witsec.

Yeah I know about Cafaro's son not being inducted but he still remained a Genovese associate, which is rather curious in it's self. I would have thought the Genoveses would have gone all in with him or cut him loose.

Scarpa Jr never got shelved after his fathers betrayal was discovered but yeah he snitched on those terrorists. He also fucked up Vic Amuso by repeatedly banging his head against a metal bed frame, then cracked him over the skull with a heavy porcelain bowl and left him unconscious. Amuso had called his father a rat then said "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" prompting the attack and the end of Scarpa Jr's membership in the Colombo family.

I didn't know D'Arco's son followed his father into witsec. I was under the impression he didn't follow him. But that would make sense, Amuso and Casso would have killed him to get back at his father.

They already had Joseph Massino. Why would they need Basciano? It would completely undermine what they were doing. Besides, Basciano was caught plotting to murder a prosecutor. There's no way they'd accept him with open arms even if he did want to rat.

LOL at NYMafia acting like they wouldn't rat in a heartbeat if they were faced with 1 hour in prison.

Moe, why don't you go soak your head or something?

What do you think? That everybody in this world is a spineless weasel like you, who would roll over and give up his own mother to avoid the can? Just because you're ball-less doesn't mean everyone in life is!

. Agreed.

They did not need Massino, they had him convicted and still gave him one of the best deals ever. They would LOVE to have Bascaino, it must eat away at them that they could not get him to rat. That is why they made his sentence so severe. They willl take any rat, they even took Casso, until his testimony contradicted with another's. They took Gravano, even eater he told them he killed 20 people. It's an ego thing to the FBI and prosecutors, Bascaino could get out any time he wants by cooperating, but he's a man and not a rat.

Massino instigated that Murder plot and framed Basciano I’m 100% sure on that. It was the only reason they gave Massino the deal
All Basicano kept saying to Massino during that recording was “forget about it”. Massino was pissed at Andres for taking his money and toppling his empire ... but at the same time Vinny did wack Frank Santora and a couple other hits in the 80s and 90s
And everyone would Rat here. Anyone saying different is full of shit. Not ratting is for professional criminals not kids that have seen to many movies. Everyone saying be loyal to they’re friends while what? Shitting on they’re own kids and families. It’s nonsense...this isn’t the movies. It’s not hollywood...

Casso started contradicting the other witnesses once he was violated and his deal torn up for smuggling in weed, coke and heroin into the witsec unit in prison...

He’s a nice guy for sure and a man of principles but he has fucking destroyed his family sticking to his beliefs. His sons are jailbirds and wife was left alone ...

Yep. Everyone here would crack. Some quicker than others. Most would roll when faced with any prison sentence and offered a way out, while others would explore that option when facing more than 5 years. Everyone has a breaking point.

A bit impetuous, don't you think?

Basically nobody knows each other here personally or knows what people do in their personal life. Nobody can claim they "won't" rat if they've never been in that situation, but you can't really claim "everyone" here would rat either. You just don't know.

Being in prison over here looks more comfortable than daily hitting your targets at work and dealing with the incessant whining of incompetent "superiors" and teary-eyed customers tbh.
Sure, if it would be a Brazilian hellhole prison I'd be talking about, my take might be different.

TheKillingJoke you make an excellent point, one that I've made many times. Prison to me really doesn't seem much worse than the shit your average Joe deals with in everyday life. Definitely not worth sacrificing a lifetime gangster legacy and reputation over.

You're dumber than I thought if you really think Andres got all of his money.

So basically Scarpa Jr. beat Amuso up for telling the truth.

Your hero John Gotti sucker punched Romual Piecyk and was about to get his ass kicked before he got his girlfriends to help him. He wasn't so lucky when he mouthed off to that black guy in prison.

You're such a dick! Lol

Remember how Amuso made D'Arco ,DeFede and Chiodo into rats? That's what he did here.

He went a bit too far by telling Scarpa Jr "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" which was an unfair statement considering Scarpa Jr kept his mouth shut and was doing a 40 year sentence.

Amuso turned Scarpa Jr into a rat by provoking him into an attack, that made him a marked man and got him booted out of the Colombo family. Now Scarpa Jr ain't a wiseguy no more and decides terrorists are fair game to get a reduced sentence. That didn't work out for him and like Casso he ends up a rat while still having to do his time.

rats are great..get one for a pet

He never sucker punched Piecyk, even Piecyk said so.

I disagree Neo. We are not in the Mafia, so the compression doesn't hold up, sorry. I would never go to prison for someone, but I never do anything that would get me arrested. The same holds for most of us here, Mafia members commit to the life, and should hold up to their commitment,. Not everyone can be broken, look at John and Gene Gotti, especially John who was dying of cancer and would not give in. Nicky Scarfo, Vinny Bascaino, many others stand up and take their time like men. We're not Mafia members, we are just discussing them.

I'll assume you're disagreeing with my last sentence: "everyone has a breaking point"? If so, I was referring to forum members, not wiseguys. But I suppose I didn't make that very clear.

Anyone who says an American prison is no worse than what the average working man deals with daily cant be serious.My best friend went in at 18 doing 20 years.He caught another ten inside and was released after 30 years.I did 3/12 years on the same charges.When you enter a prison the first thing you are told is make a knife by the other detainees.That is the white detainees.That is because every day is full of racial tension.There are no words or phrase that I could convey to you that could really describe the extreme tension and violence that goes on daily.In Georgia,you will never shower alone.Never.You will not use the restroom in private.If you let that sink in imagine going 10 or 20 years never having privacy.I could go on.But the thing is not every man has it in them to do time.And not every man has snitching or being a rat inside them.Going back to my friend at 18 he faced 20.The lawyer and district attorney told him you are either going to tell on your friends or you are going to do heavy time.At 18 now he told them to fuck off.He didn't rat.It aint in him.He could have taken down several and walked with a couple years.I was offered 40 years my first offer or I could help them and they help me.Or rat.No way I told them and thank God I beat some of the charges against me.So to say everyone on here would rat facing enough time just isn't so.All rats are cowards.Period.I'm not saying that all snitches cant fight or they aren't tough.But they are cowards.There is nothing worse on this earth except a child predator.

I'll say it again, prison is no worse than what the average working man goes through everyday, especially the soft prisons that most wiseguys go to. I done seen prison photos of mobsters wearing tracksuits and playing tennis and shit, gimme a break. Wish I had time to play tennis.

Well said MM. And I wholeheartedly agree with you.

I don't wholeheartedly agree with him, I've been incarcerated and in many ways I had it better than out here. I somewhat agree with some things he said, but wholeheartedly? Nope!