They could not get away with killing innocents back then. They did not do drive bys, they would go right up to a target and shoot them. It was different times. As far as killing innocents they shook down, that is a myth. First off, most people they shook down were others in rackets like theirs. Second, they could not go around killing innocents as you think, if they had they would have been wiped out by law enforcement right away. Vincent Coll did kill a child in a drive by, one of the rare exceptions.

. The reality was that it was a simple accident. They were doing work in that particular area and had a few dumpsters in the street. The kid just happened to dart out from behind the dumpster in front of Favaras at the exact worst moment. He wasn’t speeding, he wasn’t drunk, he wasn’t cursing at the kids corpse. Those were just bullshit lies Vicky Gotti said just like she claimed her father had nothing to do with his death lol. Even Junior Gotti himself said he liked the Favara family

By the way to all the people on their moral high horses, the police kill way more innocent civilians on a regular basis. The only difference is they get away with it easier. Many have also dealt drugs and almost the entire NYPD was shaking people down until Serpico exposed them. Beat cops used to make every store or business on their beat give money each wee, plus free goods or food.

You were not there, I was no their, Victoria Gotti was or she spoke to people who were. Also, he did not "dart" out as far as you know. There were also other children out on that street. I think 30 years ago Vicky Gotti must have tossed a drink in your face after a failed pick up attempt,and you still are not over it. Her name comes up and you pop up right away calling her names.

. This was the article I was talking about with Scott Favara. My heart goes out to that family.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/favara-son-dad-accidentally-killed-gotti-boy-no-grave-visit-father-day-article-1.127324%3foutputType=amp

One does not need to be on a moral high horse to call John Gotti, Sammy Gravano, or any of these other guys assholes.

One minute you complain about people bringing up killings from the early days, then you deflect to whataboutisms about police, then you stretch that back to pre Serpico days. There's nobody on here saying cops are all saints. There's nobody sticking up for the scumbag ones. Can you see the difference between that and you?

It was a little kid, unsupervised, on a mini bike. They dart everywhere they go, it's the nature of the beast. I've been that kid. I was lucky enough to have people watching me and kick my ass or take away the bike. Anywhere around street traffic and residential areas is the WORST possible place for a kid to be riding.

As far as innocent people getting killed by mobsters in the old days, of course it happened. Mistaken identities alone would have happened back then just as they have throughout recent history. These guys are and always have been, for the most part, dumb gangster thugs. They are not fucking Rhodes Scholars.

Agreed. The whole “police are way worse than the mob” was a shot at me because she knows I come from a cop family. I just ignore her because it’s just silly at this point

I don't complain, I may disagree with them. Unlike them I don't start saying they are pedophiles of child porn sellers. The cops do kill way more civilians than the mob. Also look at the NYPD's history. JCrusher keeps saying his after father was a cop, and that gives him mob knowledge. Whatever. As for no one sticking up for "scum bag" cops , the NYPD hates Internal Affairs and calls them the rat squad and worse. so cops don't want other cops reporting their crimes and there are many. Read up on it and see.

Thats very true

If cops dont want other cops reporting their CRIMES, then they are CRIMINAL Cops. They have removed themselves from the main body of police through deliberate actions of their own. Of course they wouldn't want anyone reporting their CRIMES because they are CRIMINALS. That's how CRIMINALS act.

Of course cops kill more civilians, look at the sheer numbers and what their job entails. I suspect you meant to say innocent civilians, which for the same reasons, I agree I'm sure it's more on a yearly basis. Pieces of shit are pieces of shit whether they're wearing a badge, a suit, or a Reebok sweat suit.

Well put AC, and even handed in your assessment. whether or not someone agrees with you, you put forth your viewpoint intelligently. bravo

Every profession has some bad apples that’s just apart of life. But the vast majority cops are not only honorable but great people too. I’ve know so many through my life as well as their families. When it comes to the mafia I’m not saying every single one is a psychopathic killer BUT they are all criminals that’s just a fact

Lol. It's their 'vocation' and job description. but for many thats all it is. As you say, good and bad in all walks of life. And by the nature of their job description, the break the law. thats fact. No one disputes that

This.......100%. ..cops also made very little money especially in the day, like 10k a year or less(doesn’t justify corruption) and New York was one city doesn’t mean the police were corrupt all over the country . Not to mention they’re were hundreds of thousands of cops, the amount of innocent civilians killed per capita was very low compared to the amount of cops vs 3 or 4 thousand Made members and plenty of civilians murdered throughout the country... too many made members were like a Tommy Agro...these guys weren’t exactly savings cats from trees..and there needs to be a distinction between made members and your friendly neighborhood bookie..Even the boss of the Bonnano Family today, look at his record , he got into an argument with his wife and shot her in the head and was convicted for it...I don’t think you can say the same for the heads of the NYPD...

. Absolutely. Back in the day my family struggled so cops didn’t make great money back then and had extra jobs on the side. My mother had to work as well. I got a job when I was 13 as did my siblings. Anybody who says the majority of police were/are corrupt doesn’t know what they’re talking about

Dominick Scialo, Christopher Furnari, Tony Mirra, Tommy De Simone and John Franzese's rape victims, and all the other rape victims of mobsters.

All the children who were sexually exploited by crime families, primarily in New York.

This child porn stuff is being way overblown on here.

Just because the cops did not make a lot of money was no excuse to shake down store owners or take bribes. They also were never starving.

Next you'll be saying the children liked it.

No, I say it is being overdone on here. There are several posts about rape, child molesting, and other stuff being put up. The idea that the Mafia was formed to rape, or all it's members molest is being pushed storngly by a small but loud group of posters. I said it is being overdone, if you disagree state why, don't insult me. I already have one person calling me a child abuser and other things for over a month on here, now you too.

Getting back to the Favara incident I also heard his wife also went through a mental breakdown when her husband vanished and obviously was brutally murdered. I’ve also heard that she was confronted and yelled at by Victoria Gotti Sr after her husband had already vanished although I can’t confirm it. Again I feel so bad for the Favara family they just unfortunately loved next to the wrong type of family

How did you hear all of this? Not looking to argue, but if you finish with "I can't confirm it" I feel bad for both families, both suffered.

No one said your a child molester but I did say that normally people who are molesters and traffickers defend those kinds of people...and you have a great obsession with defending it...your were givin thousands of pages of fbi files and you literally said that it was all lies...you said the files were made up..you keep saying everything is overblown...you keep saying DB is a gentleman...Let me ask you a question...why do you keep defending these people when there is ample evidence? why are you so adamant to defend people in the mob like kenneth Gaurino who caused a 13 yr old to die from internal bleeding because she was ripped apart in one of his child pornos?? He was caught on fbi wiretaps admitting to this on tape....DB and Theo Rothstein were indicted and convicted for it and the only reason the conviction was overturned was because an FBI agent shoplifted and went off the deep end, it doesnt mean the recordings of theyre own voices on tape admitting to it werent true....Why do you defend this so hard???? Why do you think its ok to say an innocent man who was kidnapped by 9 men and possibly chainsawed to death and murdered was "an asshole" as you called John Favara?????
If your a woman, how can you defend mobsters raping women.....dozens of mobsters were indicted and convicted of rape including many top mobsters..how do you defend this....Arlene Brickman was raped by a dozen mobsters at once and your response was to say she was a slut....how could any woman such as yourself defend these reprehensible actions???

. I never disputed that the Gotti’s weren’t heartbroken. I have a son so I understand the pain of that. However that’s no excuse to assault and brutally murder the guy over a tragic accident. They crossed the line by doing that to the Favaras. Also making up lies like him being drunk or them having “loud parties just to torture the Gotti’s”.

They never claimed he had the parties in order to torture the Gotti's, however he was very inconsiderate in having celebrations while they were mourning. .

. There is no proof he had “loud parties”. We do know he apologized and was assaulted with a baseball bat and still didn’t press charges. You say I’m making stuff up yet you claim that Favara is an “asshole” who was drunk and heartless? Even Junior Gotti himself has basically disputed that claim. Junior says he liked the Favara family and that the incident was an accident that could not be prevented . Anyway I can see this is going nowhere so agree to disagree

Was Favarra drunk when the accident happened?

. No

Jace , who may or may not be a woman is basically saying IF Favara had loud parties then that justifies him being murdered He also thinks since kids are run aways it justifies them being trafficked as sex slaves and in videos by the mafia for profit. There’s no reasoning with him. He’s a sick and twisted individual who has the mental maturity of a teenager