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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
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08/21/21 06:00 PM
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I can tolerate Franzese a bit, Gravano I can't stand at a all. I don't get the comments under their videos adoring them. Gravano is more of a rat than Franzese. Two tired old creeps (Gravano the bigger one) running a scam. Like a WWE match, with washers thinking it's a real fight. I still can't get over Chazz and Rudy, who needs them? Chazz saying security and a secret location were needed is insulting. They could have held this openly in Times Square and not been in any danger. thats all bullshit, false hype and false promotion for the suckers who buy that sort of thing. Like they're still in dangers. They could stop and eat on Mulberry Street and 10 to 1 they'd walk out of the area unscathed. Sad, but true! Why sad but true? They did their time and aren't committing any crimes any more. What age are you, condoning their murders? LOL. The same person who constantly pays tribute to scumbags who are actually committing crimes in the here and now.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
[Re: OakAsFan]
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08/21/21 06:02 PM
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You have Giuliani and Gravano up there. One of them probably the most notable mobster of the past half century, and the other Gravano. LMAO.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
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08/21/21 06:07 PM
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So don't believe his bullshit about never giving up a 'made man,' made man or not, if you even gave up a janitor, a black gangbanger, or legit businessman, YOU ARE A RAT!
PERIOD!
But he gave up lots more than that! Nobody is saying he isn't a rat. But he played the Feds.Tons of Testimony? Testimony is on the stand. He talked to the Feds but they can't bring in his 302s and use them as testimony. At the end the G got a 12 hour interview, names of made members they already had gotten from Scarpa, Guzzardo, etc. And Norby Walters whose conviction was overturned. He is a Rat who conned the G and the Mob. --- With all due respect Colonel, how would you know what Franzese, did or didn't, provide the feds (AND the state AND the locals) with in the way of informant information? As I had clearly stated in several of my previous posts about this subject, he provided TONS of information about literally hundreds of guys across New York City, Long Island, South Florida, and elsewhere. And whether you wanna call it "testimony" (and by the way you don't have to explain to me what public court testimony means), secret 302s during his debriefing with the FBI, other debriefings with prosecutors, local District Attorneys, Rackets Bureau detectives, etc., it is called "providing informant information." The only point I agree with you on is that he is a conman. In fact, I'll go one better than you and say that he is a master conman. 101%..... because not only did he con the mob into thinking that he'd be a loyal soldier, and the government into thinking that they had themselves a longterm precious rat, but he also conned both his personal blood family (his first wife and children, father, mother, sisters, brothers, etc), and his personal friends both, inside and outside, the mob as well. There are well documented stories that go around NY about how he abused guys and conned old "legitimate" boyhood friends not connected to the mob out of money just before he joined Team USA because he knew he was leaving town and wouldn't ever have to pay them back or face them again. But understand too that the only reason why Franzese was able to 'con' his family and friends (just as you or I would be able to con ours) is because as family and friends they naturally trusted him as blood family and friends should. So was he really such a 'master' conman where it comes to them? Or was he just a moral-less, remorseless, heartless, and selfish weasel who only looked out for himself? I tend to choose the latter as a better description of him. Remember he was a guy who just out and out 'dumped' his wife and kids and ran away with some strange Mexican girl he had just met down in Miami, and left them to fend for themselves while he lived in the lap of luxury in years to come. He was a guy (the guy), who allowed his own mother and young siblings to live in near poverty (they lost their family home to the bank) while he admittedly threw his millions up in the air like a spoiled brat and made sure to lavish upon himself and his "new" family all the trappings of wealth. He was the guy who never made time (or looked out for) his younger brother John as he slipped into addition. And he never looked to help him afterwards. He just cast him away as an inconvenience. THAT is the true Michael Franzese. But of course legitimate folks out there in video-land don't understand any of these things. Because he speaks well, they fall under his shroud of a kind and mellow persona. A fellow who can easily explain it all away, and when he can't, he simply then avoids the subject and vets any tough questions that could possibly come his way before any interview so he's not embarrassed by a surprise question that makes him look bad in the eyes of all his new fans and all the 'suckers' who pony up money to listen to his bullshit. Nah, he's a jerk off. And I'm sorry to say that the people who listen to him are bigger jerkoffs. A man of God? LOL.... nothing could be further from the truth. It's just his new look. His new schtick. Nice story you've weaved but do you have a source for any of this?
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
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08/21/21 06:11 PM
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How much information did Franzese give the feds and what exactly did he tell them? You can't just say he gave them a lot without any evidence for that claim lol. Everyone knows the guy is a rat and implicated his boss in a conspiracy to kill Giuliani and everyone knows he took the stand against Norby, but where is the evidence that his information led to the imprisonment of scores of wiseguys? I've never seen that. I'd love to see it because I can't stand the guy lol If you read back stories (decades ago) on Capeci's Gangland you'll see documentation about his betrayal of Campione, Vanasco, and others He also testified against his fathers old friend Norby Walters, before the U.S. Senate about gas rackets, Russians, boxing and sports bribery, etc., etc. (thats public) As far as "available documentation" of his words and 302s to FBI, and private information he provided the feds and local LE behind closed doors you and I will NEVER see that. No informants total debriefings are made public (ever)!But I can assure you that the bosses of the Five Families (and most everybody else who he talked about in private talks with the law) did see his words on paper. NOBODY was privy to all his words except bosses of the Genovese crew who allegedly had gotten the 'manuscript' of his revelations. They in turn called in others as need be to try and warn 'friends' accordingly. So no sources. Just as I thought.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
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08/21/21 06:14 PM
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How much information did Franzese give the feds and what exactly did he tell them? You can't just say he gave them a lot without any evidence for that claim lol. Everyone knows the guy is a rat and implicated his boss in a conspiracy to kill Giuliani and everyone knows he took the stand against Norby, but where is the evidence that his information led to the imprisonment of scores of wiseguys? I've never seen that. I'd love to see it because I can't stand the guy lol If you read back stories (decades ago) on Capeci's Gangland you'll see documentation about his betrayal of Campione, Vanasco, and others He also testified against his fathers old friend Norby Walters, before the U.S. Senate about gas rackets, Russians, boxing and sports bribery, etc., etc. (thats public) As far as "available documentation" of his words and 302s to FBI, and private information he provided the feds and local LE behind closed doors you and I will NEVER see that. No informants total debriefings are made public (ever)! But I can assure you that the bosses of the Five Families (and most everybody else who he talked about in private talks with the law) did see his words on paper. NOBODY was privy to all his words except bosses of the Genovese crew who allegedly had gotten the 'manuscript' of his revelations. They in turn called in others as need be to try and warn 'friends' accordingly. Fair enough, but have you heard from sources close to those bosses that Franzese's information was extensive?There is NO comparison between Franzese and Gravano as far as modus operandi. Sammy was a born killer with 19 under his belt. A very treacherous individual. Franzese is also a very treacherous individual, but in a different fashion. He used a pen and his words to rob you. According to Sammy, he only pulled the trigger once. He helped plan a lot of hits. As far as Franzese goes, I have heard that he was involved in more than one murder. He tries to play the nice guy card, but his conscience definitely bothers him. The money he made from Champagne Larry's vacation to Belize was astronomical. Funny how you don't consider the fact if NYMafia has sources, maybe they are feeding him bullshit. They are criminals and con artists who've never worked a day in their life after all! Let's face it, it wouldn't be the hardest thing in the world for them to manipulate a mark like this! He's already in awr of them, as Bobby Bacala would say.
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Re: Sit Down between Franzese and Gravano
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08/21/21 09:54 PM
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