Are you out of your fucking mind? He made him fucking underboss. Official underboss!

Identification of CI 3461 - aka Gregory Scarpa. From The New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1996/12/16/the-g-man-and-the-hit-man

Did Carmine Persico start the Chicago fire?
Did Carmine Persico conspire to hit JFK?

He either IS, or ISN'T, an informer. But based upon these documents it absolutely DOES NOT PROVE, or even allure to, the fact that Persico may have been a rat.

And THAT'S the unvarnished truth!

The rest of it is all widow dressing to sell newspapers, and try and get a judge to release vic

This exonerates Junior. Thank you. A good man can rest in peace

Really must be getting dry in CN land

No doubt

Haha Louie is so disappointed now. Probably yelling at his aging mother

Yeah, if this is what they're basing it off of they've obviously misinterpreted the file

If you guys think they didn’t thoroughly check this before releasing this information then your dreaming....

The false bubble has burst. And there's a lot of unhappy hood hating

A guy might be a stone gangster. He might even be one helluva bad guy. A murdering and heartless, ice cold hood. But that doesn't make him a rat or informer. Like him. Hate him. Thats your choice and you are free to choose however you like. After all, it is a free country.

But at least give the guy his due for being a standup guy! He did serve 50 big ones behind bars. That should count for something no?

He could have turned rodent and saved himself a half-century of heartbreak, for him and his family. But he did not!

He manned up and went in to serve his time.

So at least give em that much.

No Louie, you're dreaming. And I hate to tell ya, but I think that dream just turned into a nightmare for you!

Admit it

David Schoen, representing Orena, delivered the bombshell Brooklyn Federal Court filing — including a 1971 law enforcement document identifying Persico as a member of the FBI’s “Top Echelon Informant Program.” The 50-year-old paperwork was revealed through a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed against the Justice Department.
Schoen said he hesitated to go public with the charge until doing some digging to verify the shocking story.
“Independently of this document, two lawyers who represented Mr. Persico in the past have said that they had solid reason to believe that this information is accurate, as did another cooperating witness who gave examples that he believed proved the point,” Schoen wrote in a Friday email to defense lawyer Anthony DiPietro. “I would never have filed such a document without having taken these steps.”
In another email, Schoen said he heard from a former Colombo associate declaring “the assertion is 100% right.” The mobster was a cooperating witness who testified against two of Schoen’s clients.
“I met with the DOJ inspector General and two FBI agents. ... All agreed that the document reflected exactly what it has been represented to reflect,” he said. “I avoided filing this document for quite some time because of the seriousness of it and the implications.”

all trumped up 'generalized info' to try and help vic. A smokescreen of BS. Not unlike thousands of other documents lawyers for (both sides) submit to try and bulldoze a judge. Common practice

But the proof is in the pudding. And there's NO proof! Lisa just posted up those exact same documents so everyone could read them for themselves. They show the EXACT OPPOSITE.

You STILL don't wanna believe? Lol........ok

Like the old adage goes, this document and .50 cents will get you on the NYC subway system.

Or is it more like $3.50 cents nowadays? Lol

I think most of the guys that made real money informed. How else do you survive in that world? You have to use law enforcement to your advantage. Lucky Luciano ratted on rival drug dealers. The founder of the mob as we know it. Look at what Gambino and Lucchese did to Genovese.

Luciano only gave up his own heroin whereabouts, the never gave up anyone. Gambino and Lucchesse are not the ones who set up Genovese, the FBN did by going to jails and asking anyone with a drug charge to work with them, they got a Spanish man named Cantelopes to say he worked with Genovese. Most bosses wound up in prison, Gambino was constantly harassed by the feds.

The headline itself is all fake, including the nickname that no one really called him, "The Snake." Any crime reporter knows, or should, that his nickname was Junior. It's a big nothing.

It actually was not his nickname, his real and only nickname was Junior. I think the Snake nickname rumor came from reporters close to Crazy Joe Gallo and his bunch.

This is 100% FAKE NEWS. You can look at the document and see the informant # is ny 3461 which is Greg Scarpas informant #. All this document says that these guys are Colombo Captains according to NY 3461 which is Scarpa. Some idiot just doesn't know how to read an FBI file.

I don't think anyone was surprised Bulger was a rat, I think rumors of him and Greg Scarpa being rats were around for many of the years they were active. Scarpa had rumors about him in the 1970's, 10 years after he started working with the FBI. Ironically, the man he did a lot of informing on and helped send to prison was Perscio, who stood by him and refused to believe he was a rat. Persico was tough, brave, and fearless----but to put it kindly, he was far from smart. Very far. But a rat, no. way.

That is a complete falsehood about Luciano. COMPLETELY false. It was debunked. A false narrative run by some that was proved false.

And it's one helluva stretch to call everybody rats. WTF? Thats a wild accusation. There are rats who never made one quarter. There are rats who made tons. There are standup guys who starved. And there are standup guys who made millions.

Rats were always in the extreme minority. Nowadays they are still in the extreme minority. The only difference is that proportionately the percentage of rats has increased tremendously.

Remember too that every single (1) rat usually informs on tons of guys. So if you even have ten rats that is a HUGE number who can do infinite damage to the families.

And considering that nowadays we have hundreds of informers between members and associates, it's a staggering number who do massive damage. Even though they are still outnumbered 20-30 to 1. Doesn't matter

Correct, except for they did not want to read it correctly. Starting with the lying reporter who wrote the story.

correct

you are 1000% percent correct Colonel

They misread it on purpose. Bingo!

That could be the case. Probably a last ditch ploy by Orena's lawyers to get Vic out and the fake news guys(hiding in their basements with masks on while vaccinated) fell for it cause they couldn't reach out to people in the know. And according to my last FOIA, these guys in DC don't know shit about how to read a 50 year old document. I don't even think it's from 71. It looks like a file from the mid 60s

They obviously didn't. I picked it apart in 2 minutes

That document has been out. It's not a list of members of the Top Echelon Informant Program. It's a list of Colombo Captains "Named" by Top Echelon Informant NY 3461 which is Greg Scarpa