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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: majicrat]
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11/01/21 01:55 PM
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TheKillingJoke
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I respectfully disagree, some of the comments above are definitive in nature as if the writer KNOWS things for a fact. I find this doubtful, not impossible, but doubtful. Then when questioned the insults come out. All I'm going to say about it now is if the order not to kill is the reason no retribution is handed out then that's only an excuse. Violent acts happen all over this country in big cities and small everyday, that NEVER get solved ( Chicago gets shot up every single weekend), So maybe I should add that the current American Mafia members lack the street brains to be a serious killer along with the will. Where there's a will there's a way and the whole order not to do it doesn't make sense. They just don't have the will anymore. I respect your take, but personally I feel there might be a different reason behind this. It's entirely possible there's a lack of will, but maybe that lack of will is because they don't see the gain from killing anymore. Aside from that, there's still a lot going on behind the scenes that the average joe never hears about. There's lots of guys out there still making a ton of money and I don't think you make money in the criminal world without any sort of fear attached to your name. So we as outsiders definitely don't know a lot and we can only make assumptions based on what we hear/read or don't hear/read. And for sure there's a lot of unsolved killings going on in minority ghettos, but I feel - again this is an assumption on my part as well - that's mostly because LE doesn't care enough to put a lot of effort into solving them.
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: majicrat]
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11/01/21 02:10 PM
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Louiebynochi
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I respectfully disagree, some of the comments above are definitive in nature as if the writer KNOWS things for a fact. I find this doubtful, not impossible, but doubtful. Then when questioned the insults come out. All I'm going to say about it now is if the order not to kill is the reason no retribution is handed out then that's only an excuse. Violent acts happen all over this country in big cities and small everyday, that NEVER get solved ( Chicago gets shot up every single weekend), So maybe I should add that the current American Mafia members lack the street brains to be a serious killer along with the will. Where there's a will there's a way and the whole order not to do it doesn't make sense. They just don't have the will anymore. Violent things are happening all the time in the mob every single day Look at all the recent indictments. In 2013 you almost had a war between the Bonnanos and Luccheses where Michael Meldish was assaulted and in return a Bonnanos Soldier was shot and in retaliation for that Meldish was murdered... also the Bonnanos storming a Lucchese social club armed w machine guns....
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
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11/01/21 02:31 PM
11/01/21 02:31 PM
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eastsideofvan
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I see it a little bit differently, and in a way that is in fact probably advantageous to the moneymakers in the mob.
Where in the past killings could be carried out in a much more cavalier manner - there were plenty of senseless and even unnecessary killings, which only undermined the mafia overall. Certainly a Nicky Scarfo Sr. or a Vic & Gas administration was "feared" but they were also completely nuts and by their murderous behaviour weakened their families through the various consequences of those murders.
I would agree that it already is and will be a much rarer thing going forward to hear about a bonafide "mob hit" - and that makes sense - the quality of the mob has declined in all areas from money making down to violence.
I guess my point is, if the mob whacks someone at this point then you KNOW it's something that needed to be done. Not necessarily the case in the past. And if they hesitate to do it, well that's just smart in a day and age where a trace fibre off the floor mat of your car might get you a life sentence which in turn creates a rat who puts 50 guys away. The OP may not wish to discuss today's technology, but I don't see how you separate that from the issue. It IS the issue.
I'm sure the mob still attracts guys who wouldn't hesitate to kill if/when/where they know they can get away with it. But it's a wise move by the administration to keep a lid on cowboy behaviour that will only put everyone away.
Dilly has a point - the mob is definitely not as feared overall as it used to be, but honestly, if you went down to 18th Ave and loaned out $50,000 from Fat Sal at 3 points a week, would you really figure that you've got nothing to worry about if you don't make your payments? Of course the mob is still feared. Not on a level proportionate to their golden years but definitely still feared, for good reason.
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: ralphie_cifaretto]
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11/01/21 04:57 PM
11/01/21 04:57 PM
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LittleAl2021
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While I agree with most of what you said here, you are wrong about them not having serious people around anymore. You wouldn't even believe how many serious guys are still out there. They have the numbers, but they don't have the benefits they used to have. The Lucchese Family for example have guys like Michael DeSantis,Patty Dellorusso,Frank Papagni,George Zappola and Ray Argentina.All of these guys have put the work in though now they are at the top of the Lucchese Family so they don’t need to get their hands dirty
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: DillyDolly]
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11/01/21 05:02 PM
11/01/21 05:02 PM
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TheKillingJoke
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I'm a little fed up with the technology excuse, because to me there's no excuse for allowing John Alite walk through the heart of Little Italy taking pictures and bragging about ratting and getting away with it. It's not even about being a tough guy, where's the pride? There were a lot of unnecessary killings and many got it who didn't deserve it, but this isn't the case here and he's just one example. Alite's a waste of oxygen, but what do they possibly have to gain from having Alite whacked in 2021? If they wanted him killed, it wouldn't be hard to find someone who'd put him in the ground. The guy acted like he was Italian for years and now he's a documented rat he's been trying to cultivate and play up his Albanianness...and in return he got beat up by a few Albanians at a strip club lol. He's a nobody these days. Any wiseguy that's on the streets nowadays doesn't care about him.
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: NYMafia]
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11/01/21 05:16 PM
11/01/21 05:16 PM
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Fleming_Ave
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New York has hundreds of guys more than "capable" to pull a trigger. But they've been told NO killings. And you follow the bosses orders. Its a dictate that's come down and been in place at least 10-15 years now already.
But believe me, if they're given the high sign, you'd have guys dropping bodies all over NY/NJ. But do you understand the federal heat that would bring? Thats the reason for the "moratorium"
The easiest thing in the world is to "pull a trigger," but then they'd have to deal with the consequences and fallout of that, which today are very bad. The most reasonable explanation so far. Are they in business to make money, or prove they're tough guys? If I was them, I would want the money.
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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers
[Re: Fleming_Ave]
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11/01/21 05:31 PM
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New York has hundreds of guys more than "capable" to pull a trigger. But they've been told NO killings. And you follow the bosses orders. Its a dictate that's come down and been in place at least 10-15 years now already.
But believe me, if they're given the high sign, you'd have guys dropping bodies all over NY/NJ. But do you understand the federal heat that would bring? Thats the reason for the "moratorium"
The easiest thing in the world is to "pull a trigger," but then they'd have to deal with the consequences and fallout of that, which today are very bad. The most reasonable explanation so far. Are they in business to make money, or prove they're tough guys? If I was them, I would want the money. 100% Fleming
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