I'll be checking it out. This is a 10-part limited series that'll air beginning April 28.
"THE OFFER is based on Oscar-winning producer Albert S. Ruddy’s extraordinary, never-revealed experiences of making “The Godfather.” The series stars Miles Teller as Albert S. Ruddy, Matthew Goode as Robert Evans, Juno Temple as Bettye McCartt, Giovanni Ribisi as Joe Colombo, Dan Fogler as Francis Ford Coppola, Burn Gorman as Charles Bluhdorn and Colin Hanks as Barry Lapidus."
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#1029370 02/01/2211:42 PM02/01/2211:42 PM
Looks interesting. Looks like it's going into Colombo's venture into his civil rights organization, too, which I always thought would make a great movie or series in and of itself. Want to see how they handle this. Whether it was just a scheme all along or if he really started to buy into and take his family in that direction.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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#1033091 04/19/2201:31 PM04/19/2201:31 PM
Giovanni Ribisi as Joe Columbo!!??? Oh God! I know that the civil rights league got involved after the movie was under way, but if the series is saying that the mafia would not them make the movie that is BS. There were several coming out every year, and I think that The Brotherhood starring Kirk Douglas was made just before the Godfather.
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#1033926 04/30/2207:20 PM04/30/2207:20 PM
In the previews of the series, I am not very impressed with the acting. It seems rather shallow to me. I'll probably pass this up. I don't have P+ anyway.
I went into the interview as a fan of “The Offer,” then realized that every moment I found exciting about it was based on the idea that it was factually true, close to being true, or some version of some truth I hadn’t heard about. It didn’t occur to me that it was all made up.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
I have watched all of it and enjoyed and Miles Teller's acting is great, the guy playing the studio head is the best, really enjoying the episodes so far and can see how the mafia gets their hooks into you even a little bit it can go South real fast
I went into the interview as a fan of “The Offer,” then realized that every moment I found exciting about it was based on the idea that it was factually true, close to being true, or some version of some truth I hadn’t heard about. It didn’t occur to me that it was all made up.
I figured i thad to be made up, Puzo and others involved always said there were few problems. The previews looked overdone and overly dramatic.
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#1034361 05/09/2211:53 AM05/09/2211:53 AM
I enjoy the show - I like the acting, especially Miles Teller who's a greatly underappreciated actor and of course the Hollywood tax makes it more dramatic than it actually was, but so what? It's a show after all.
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#1034364 05/09/2201:32 PM05/09/2201:32 PM
I enjoy the show - I like the acting, especially Miles Teller who's a greatly underappreciated actor and of course the Hollywood tax makes it more dramatic than it actually was, but so what? It's a show after all.
Yes, I'll agree that "it's a show."
However...
Over the years, I've read many of the books and articles dealing with how GF1 came to be, beginning with Ira Zuckerman's The Godfather Journal back in 1972. Next to that yellowing old paperback I have seven other books dealing with the film. My point is that even reading one or two of those books will give you a pretty accurate account of how everything came together, with a helluva lot of real-life drama. Incidents are described, names are named, etc.
I read the SF Chronicle article linked above. Considering the facts they had to work with, and the wealth of material that could have been mined, it baffles me as to why in the world so much so-called "artistic license" was taken with the facts in order to tell a more "dramatic" story???
Many people who have not read any books on GF1 - or seen any recorded interviews with the protagonists, living and deceased - will, more than likely, come away with the belief that The Offer is telling it totally like it was, and that's the problem, as I see it.
I keep thinking of the old saying, "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story." We may be seeing yet another example of that here.
I do not have Paramount+ because all these add-ons and streamers just cost too much, considering what we're paying for what we already receive. I had been bemoaning not being able to see The Offer, but after reading through this thread (and the linked article), I'm not moaning as loudly.
Still, if I could view the series without having to pay anything additional for it...
Signor V.
"For me, there's only my wife..."
"Sure I cook with wine - sometimes I even add it to the food!"
"When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?"
"It was a grass harp... And we listened."
"Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it? Every, every minute?"
"No. Saints and poets, maybe... they do some."
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#1034367 05/09/2202:04 PM05/09/2202:04 PM
Hey Signor Vitelli, I agree but we have to face the facts that with movies and TV shows based on true story, those things are always going to happen. Imagine a 13 year old kid watching The Irishman and thinking that Frank Sheeran killed Joe Gallo, or that Buffalino was the mastermind behind Anastasia's murder.
But, they just may get interested enough to start researching, reading and learning about the mob as much as all of us on the forum do. Everyone has to start somewhere; personally I got interested in the mob by watching The Sopranos and I thought all mobsters were rich playboys who kill people like it's nothing in the 2000s; until I started reading and learning. But the original story has to be just dramatic enough and big enough that it gets people interested in the subject.
We're seeing a similar trend with Winning Time: The Rise Of The Lakers Dynasty which is also an amusing show, but some of the key people from the Lakeshow era (such as Jerry West and Magic Johnson) are openly against it. But it still had some of my friends who weren't originally interested in basketball researching and reading about the Lakeshow era from the 80s and they realize things weren't exactly how they got portrayed in the show, but just close enough that it's believable.
Some characters and situations aren't that realistic when you know as much as we do (Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchesse sitting together in a cafe waiting for Joe Colombo, while T.L. is counting money on the table) but it's still fun to watch regardless!
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#1034489 05/11/2211:06 PM05/11/2211:06 PM
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who was there for it all:
I've seen the first four episodes. One thing I've noticed is that Coppola seems to come off pretty well, while Puzo comes off as a dope. This could, of course, be because Coppola is alive and can defend himself, and Puzo is not.
"All of these men were good listeners; patient men."
Nice story. Him and everyone else who was there at the time says the story is fake. I think every series exaggerates a bit, but the mob ones go way out of the way to create storylines that they swear are real. Boardwalk Empire is an example.
I've seen the first four episodes. One thing I've noticed is that Coppola seems to come off pretty well, while Puzo comes off as a dope. This could, of course, be because Coppola is alive and can defend himself, and Puzo is not.
That has to be the reason. If Coppola had died and Puzo had lived it would be the other way. I wonder if Puzo's family will have anything to say.
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#1034780 05/20/2208:37 AM05/20/2208:37 AM
When it comes to any visual medium, unless they say it’s a documentary (and even those can be slanted to one particular view) I assume it’s going to be embellished for entertainment reasons. I don’t expect any movie or TV show to be giving me the truth.
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#1035008 05/25/2202:12 PM05/25/2202:12 PM
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From Coppola:
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Coppola has no involvement with the project and notes, “That’s the point of view of, I guess, the producer but it doesn’t really reflect what really happened, in my opinion.”
2 years after first creating this thread I FINALLY got around to watching the series and I really enjoyed it. I don't know which parts are fact and which parts are fiction but it's still an enjoyable story with wonderful performances by the cast. As others have said, no movie or series is going to give you a direct telling of the events. Embellishments for dramatic purposes come with the territory. But I will say each episode was engaging and seemed to fly by, even at a runtime of almost an hour a piece. It rekindled my love of the film, which I rewatched today. It also motivated me to dust off my copy of the novel which I've had for a few years but never picked up. Just started today!