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Inside the life of Midlands ‘public enemy No. 1’ super criminal who turned from businessman to crime boss

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Originally Posted by Hollander


I'm genuinely surprised that someone would make a YouTube video about this man. His organization is said to be next level. There's plenty of those names around living in pockets of London, Essex and Kent at the moment. None of their criminal dealings can be proven.

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True TKJ, Scotland Yard had been infiltrated by criminal groups, most notably the infamous Adams Familiy in England and a gang led by the mobster David Hunt.

The covert investigation of Operation Tiberius found that many detectives had been 'bribed' and provided access to police databases and even states that criminals were watching 'live' with ongoing investigations.


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I read Hunt chased after a journalist who approached him at his house years ago.

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When it comes to the UK, many always talk about the immigrant ethnic groups.

But there still many British organised crime gangs that have been active for many years.


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Originally Posted by British
When it comes to the UK, many always talk about the immigrant ethnic groups.

But there still many British organised crime gangs that have been active for many years.


The British press are always going to play up the "foreign crime threat" hysteria. The vast majority of organized crime in the UK still concerns homegrown British criminal networks of English/Scottish/Irish background. Organized crime in Liverpool, Glasgow, Nottingham, Manchester and Newcastle consists of 95% homegrown groups. And there are still a lot of homegrown groups active in Essex and Kent (whose operations extend into North, East and South London) as well as the Solihull/Birmingham area. All of these have international operations.

Regarding "foreign" organized crime in the UK the noteworthy ones at the moment are Albanian cocaine and hashish trafficking groups that are mostly active in the London and Birmingham area, the Turkish/Kurdish heroin trafficking groups in North London, Pakistani (mostly several Mirpuri and Pashtun families) heroin trafficking groups in Bradford, Birmingham, Oldham, Middlesbrough and Luton, Vietnamese marihuana trafficking groups in London, Lithuanian arms and contraband tobacco smuggling groups in London, Somali drug gangs in South London, Jamaican gang activity in London, Birmingham, Bristol and Manchester (though Jamaican gang activity isn't as endemic as it once has been), Tamil gangs in West London (also not as endemic as it once has been), Traveller families mostly in the Manchester area and some Maltese involvement in underground pornography and prostitution in London (though most London Maltese are nowadays regarded as British).

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Man behind network that smuggled £104 million from Great Britain to Dubai in 1 year gets 9 years in prison https://gangstersinc.org/blog/man-behind-network-that-smuggled-104-million-from-great-britain-t


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Two weeks on from the murder of Olivia Pratt-Korbel, Merseyside Police say they are taking a relentless approach to their crackdown on serious organised crime in the region.

Their operation, codenamed Operation Miller, has seen hundreds of arrests as well as the execution of warrants, seizure of vehicles and stop searches.

The move comes following a series of murders in the region, including the death of nine-year-old Olivia Pratt-Korbel, who was gunned down in her Dovecot home.


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Are there 2 families in Edinburgh? I've wondered where did the Thompson family later commit to, the Daniels or Lyons? Only 2 family's in Glasgow am I right?

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Originally Posted by Captbony1999
Are there 2 families in Edinburgh? I've wondered where did the Thompson family later commit to, the Daniels or Lyons? Only 2 family's in Glasgow am I right?


As far as I know there are at least 5 well organised OC gangs operating in Glasgow


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Bit of Italian crime history in London

https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Charles_Sabini


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Originally Posted by British
Bit of Italian crime history in London

https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Charles_Sabini


Funny how throughout the years the Maltese had a more noteworthy presence in the London underworld than Italians. The Sabini mob was done by the early 40's. Maltese gangsters were noticeably operating in London from the 1940's well into the early 2000's. Soho has been thoroughly cleaned up, but traces of Maltese activity still exist under the radar. Not as huge as it once was, but it's still there...or so I've been told.

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Originally Posted by Captbony1999
Are there 2 families in Edinburgh? I've wondered where did the Thompson family later commit to, the Daniels or Lyons? Only 2 family's in Glasgow am I right?


There's drug trafficking in Edinburgh as there's in any major city, but it isn't really a hotspot for organized crime. Daniel and Lyons families are highly publicized because of their long running feud, but there's way way more mobs operating from Glasgow that are internationally active. Daniel and Lyons are both from North Glasgow and they're no doubt feared and have pull over there, but there's a few mobs from for instance South Glasgow that arguably have even more resources and can be regarded as big time players in the European underworld. There's also mobs operating from West and East Glasgow. We don't know the true extent of their power, but I'd wager that there's even quite a bit more than five organized crime outfits operating from Glasgow.

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Bit of Italian crime history in London

https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Charles_Sabini


Funny how throughout the years the Maltese had a more noteworthy presence in the London underworld than Italians. The Sabini mob was done by the early 40's. Maltese gangsters were noticeably operating in London from the 1940's well into the early 2000's. Soho has been thoroughly cleaned up, but traces of Maltese activity still exist under the radar. Not as huge as it once was, but it's still there...or so I've been told.


Theres a huge Italian community in the UK, but there has never been a mafia presence


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British underworld is huge with all those working class cities from north to south.


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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke


There's drug trafficking in Edinburgh as there's in any major city, but it isn't really a hotspot for organized crime. Daniel and Lyons families are highly publicized because of their long running feud, but there's way way more mobs operating from Glasgow that are internationally active. Daniel and Lyons are both from North Glasgow and they're no doubt feared and have pull over there, but there's a few mobs from for instance South Glasgow that arguably have even more resources and can be regarded as big time players in the European underworld. There's also mobs operating from West and East Glasgow. We don't know the true extent of their power, but I'd wager that there's even quite a bit more than five organized crime outfits operating from Glasgow.


Curiosity: are the Gillespie brothers from Glasgow? There have been quite a lot of articles about them online, they were supposedly killed in Brazil or still on the run there; they are described as being quite powerful gangsters operating on international level.

Is there any good book about those other gangs in Scotland? As you said, Daniel and Lyons are the most publicized ones, so it would be interesting to learn about the others, if there is any information available to the public.


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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011
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There's drug trafficking in Edinburgh as there's in any major city, but it isn't really a hotspot for organized crime. Daniel and Lyons families are highly publicized because of their long running feud, but there's way way more mobs operating from Glasgow that are internationally active. Daniel and Lyons are both from North Glasgow and they're no doubt feared and have pull over there, but there's a few mobs from for instance South Glasgow that arguably have even more resources and can be regarded as big time players in the European underworld. There's also mobs operating from West and East Glasgow. We don't know the true extent of their power, but I'd wager that there's even quite a bit more than five organized crime outfits operating from Glasgow.


Curiosity: are the Gillespie brothers from Glasgow? There have been quite a lot of articles about them online, they were supposedly killed in Brazil or still on the run there; they are described as being quite powerful gangsters operating on international level.

Is there any good book about those other gangs in Scotland? As you said, Daniel and Lyons are the most publicized ones, so it would be interesting to learn about the others, if there is any information available to the public.


Yes, the Gillespies are from Rutherglen, which is in South Glasgow. As youngsters they were foot soldiers for Stephen Docherty - who at the time was the crime boss of Rutherglen and one of the biggest gangsters in all of Glasgow - and they took over the organization after his death. Extremely dangerous men. Glasgow locals can probably provide you with more intel, but lower level drug traffickers who ran afoul of their mob got punished severely...torture, dismemberments, kneecappings, sledgehammer beatings, etc...
Apparently they haven't been in contact with their associates for almost a year now. They were living in a luxury loft in Fortaleza. Some say they got into conflict with members from the local PCC chapter, others say another fellow Glasgow gangster had given the order to have them killed, another one says they had a conflict with other international drug traffickers (the Ndrangheta for instance also operates from Brazil), etc...and then there are others who say they're still under the radar and on the run hiding somewhere else. All I know is that when Brazilian gangs have you killed, you usually don't just "disappear". Most times they chop you up or set you on fire...but they don't make the effort to stuff your remains in some oil barrel or something like that. You're basically always found. As for the possibility of them being on the run; it's definitely possible. These guys are multimillionaires and they do have the resources to stay under the radar. Who knows?

There are tons of books on the Glasgow gang life, but I have to say I don't know if any of them are any good...

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Bit of Italian crime history in London

https://historica.fandom.com/wiki/Charles_Sabini


Funny how throughout the years the Maltese had a more noteworthy presence in the London underworld than Italians. The Sabini mob was done by the early 40's. Maltese gangsters were noticeably operating in London from the 1940's well into the early 2000's. Soho has been thoroughly cleaned up, but traces of Maltese activity still exist under the radar. Not as huge as it once was, but it's still there...or so I've been told.


The internment of Italian's during the war finished them.


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James and Barry Gillespie are believed to lead Scotland's biggest and richest organized gang. Many of the Brits have a base in The Netherlands for drug deals, but Amsterdam is also a hotspot for fugitive British top criminals.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
James and Barry Gillespie are believed to lead Scotland's biggest and richest organized gang. Many of the Brits have a base in The Netherlands for drug deals, but Amsterdam is also a hotspot for fugitive British top criminals.


Used to be Spain.

Where are the members of the Thompson mob, did they jump ship to the 2 family's in Glasgow or simply stop/low-level?

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The average citizen is much more concerned about low-tier criminals committing crimes that most effect them (petty theft, rape, carjacking, assault, b-&-e, robbery, etc) than top-tier crime brokers that aren’t directly responsible for any of that. I know it’s short sighted but that’s a pretty common and understandable sentiment.

On top of that, London is one of the most important metros in the world so its crime gets more attention than some hick town in some outer Shire. And when it comes to the crimes listed above, individuals of “foreign” descent make up a significant slice of the offender’s pie.

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In analogy with the Penose in the Netherlands and the Milieu in France, organised crime in the United Kingdom has traditionally been governed by homegrown organised criminal groups involved in a multitude of illegitimate businesses. Criminal enterprises come from a variety of different ethnic backgrounds finding their origin in the UK, the most dominant of them still being the White British groups.

The whole of the UK is said to host some 7,500 different organised criminal groups that cost the country £100 million a day in crime and lost revenues.


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Originally Posted by Captbony1999
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James and Barry Gillespie are believed to lead Scotland's biggest and richest organized gang. Many of the Brits have a base in The Netherlands for drug deals, but Amsterdam is also a hotspot for fugitive British top criminals.


Used to be Spain.

Where are the members of the Thompson mob, did they jump ship to the 2 family's in Glasgow or simply stop/low-level?


Spain is still a hotspot for them, but lately also Dubai and Turkey.


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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
The average citizen is much more concerned about low-tier criminals committing crimes that most effect them (petty theft, rape, carjacking, assault, b-&-e, robbery, etc) than top-tier crime brokers that aren’t directly responsible for any of that. I know it’s short sighted but that’s a pretty common and understandable sentiment.

On top of that, London is one of the most important metros in the world so its crime gets more attention than some hick town in some outer Shire. And when it comes to the crimes listed above, individuals of “foreign” descent make up a significant slice of the offender’s pie.


Is it "foreign" if their motherlands belonged to the British Empire?


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